Testing my TNet Friends

[releventchair]

Well, looking at it again , the escutcheon won't help much. It is not likely original or it would have been inlaid. The screw holding it is not original. It would bite the user.
It is the only screw seen holding the lock plate on. Usually a rifle has two going through the stock. Looking at the offside ( at the lock plate opposite the screw head ) the plate seems to have two holes for screws. Odd,or not viewed right.....is there one or two screws securing lock plate?
Single trigger ( vs double/ set trigger) looks pinned. Again older type fastener IF the pin shown actually holds the trigger assembly in place instead of screws through trigger plate into stock. Some pins were tapered and need to be removed accordingly to not split wood.
Today ,cutting the heads off finishing nails then cutting and sanding to length solves removing them wrong on some builds.

The rifle had a hard life and changes to it. Not unusual for a common but important tool with lots of use...fix them best you can with what you got ,then get on with living.

 

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[WannaDig3687]

Thank you, releventchair for all your information. It definitely is reworked. I’ve been using your information and researching my own this morning. At least we are more knowledgeable about the history. I took closer pics and It looks like what you said about the nails having the heads cut off.





Thanks for for all your help!

 

[releventchair]

In the picture above ,those are screw ends flush with the surface of the lock plate.
Clearly not the lock that the stock was originally inletted for. The notch at the front ,on top, was to fit a different lock plate. Interesting that the thin piece is not burned from firing ,or worn away from cleaning fouling off it. So, now we know the RIDDLE lock was a replacement...or the stock was..l.o.l...

 

[WannaDig3687]

Thank you! this has been very educational for me.

 

[Red James Cash]

Here you go buddy,have fun.lol https://archive.org/stream/gunmaker00satt/gunmaker00satt_djvu.txt
RIDDEL— Lancaster, Pa., 1770. Kentucky rifles.

RIDDLE — North Carolina maker of a percussion lock pistol generally
patterned after U. S. 1842 Model.

RIDDLE — Low and medium quality commercial percussion locks,
variously decorated and marked "Riddle" in ribbon scroll or
oblong cartouche.

RIDDLE, W. G. & CO.— Philadelphia, Pa. Kentucky type, full stock,
flintlock smoothbores.

 

[releventchair]

Here you go buddy,have fun.lol https://archive.org/stream/gunmaker00satt/gunmaker00satt_djvu.txt
RIDDEL— Lancaster, Pa., 1770. Kentucky rifles.

RIDDLE — North Carolina maker of a percussion lock pistol generally
patterned after U. S. 1842 Model.

RIDDLE — Low and medium quality commercial percussion locks,
variously decorated and marked "Riddle" in ribbon scroll or
oblong cartouche.

RIDDLE, W. G. & CO.— Philadelphia, Pa. Kentucky type, full stock,
flintlock smoothbores.

Where you been Red?
Post # 16 has the same link.

 

[Red James Cash]

whoops didnt see it lmao

 

[WannaDig3687]

Here you go buddy,have fun.lol https://archive.org/stream/gunmaker00satt/gunmaker00satt_djvu.txt
RIDDEL— Lancaster, Pa., 1770. Kentucky rifles.

RIDDLE — North Carolina maker of a percussion lock pistol generally
patterned after U. S. 1842 Model.

RIDDLE — Low and medium quality commercial percussion locks,
variously decorated and marked "Riddle" in ribbon scroll or
oblong cartouche.

RIDDLE, W. G. & CO.— Philadelphia, Pa. Kentucky type, full stock,
flintlock smoothbores.

Where you been Red?
Post # 16 has the same link.

Well, you know how it goes...
Better late than never.

When he came home from work, I was able to show him everything.
Thanks, again, guys!

 

[cw0909]

i think i found your lock plate,sorry not much info





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Burchard Galleries Sunday, November 16, 2014 Lot 1319
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Burchard Galleries Sunday, November 16, 2014 results
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this riddle banner is much dif




img & description
https://www.rockislandauction.com/d...-percussion-rifle-with-riddle-marked-lock-pla

 

[cw0909]

more imgs of that gun, your stock is dif, cant see your barrel to well
https://www.invaluable.co.uk/auction-lot/riddle-maple-half-stock-percussion-rifle-1319-c-dfbf30c3ed

 

[WannaDig3687]

i think i found your lock plate,sorry not much info


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Burchard Galleries Sunday, November 16, 2014 Lot 1319
#1319 description
Burchard Galleries Sunday, November 16, 2014 results
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this riddle banner is much dif

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img & description
https://www.rockislandauction.com/d...-percussion-rifle-with-riddle-marked-lock-pla

more imgs of that gun, your stock is dif, cant see your barrel to well
https://www.invaluable.co.uk/auction-lot/riddle-maple-half-stock-percussion-rifle-1319-c-dfbf30c3ed

Thank you.

 

[Davers]

My friend got back to me , i'm gonna paraphrase what he stated to my relocation.

'Pre-Civil War , with engraving done later , & if you want to know the Caliber , check the inside of the bore with a caliper.'

O & he thought the rifle was built as a Percussion Rifle, not converted,

Reading the Reply's It looks like you got Mr, Wrightdigger and yourself a Confident ID.

A Very nice rifle indeed.

Happy & Blessed new year I feel a need to send you 'my bestest wishes on this New Years eve'.
Y'all have a Great one.
Davers

 

[WannaDig3687]

Thanks to all for replying to this thread. Even though we haven't come up with a monetary value, it has proved to be priceless in more ways than one.
So, why the test? I will try to explain briefly. Mr. WD hasn't been all that, shall I say, comfortable with me being on Tnet. Now he has seen first hand how smart everyone is and how everyone tries to help each other in this hobby. Proof in point... He pulled out his rifle last night to show to our friends and he repeated everything you all told us and bragged up the site I was on. Kudos everyone!

May you all have a blessed and Happy New Year filled with all sorts of treasure finds!

 

[Peyton Manning]

I agree with his feelings about you being online to a point. You ought to be very careful about personal info.
Never give your real name even in pm with those you trust - just no need for it
same with where you live
never give anyone money EVER ( girls fall for the sob stories too easily)
even with details of your life that someone can google ( no pics of you)

I think these apply to all females and minors ( grown up men can take their own chances)

 

[Red James Cash]

I think these apply to all females and minors ( grown up men can take their own chances)

Hey Jeff which of the above are you?Just yanking your chain buddy,happy new year

 

[Peyton Manning]

gonna be a great year RJ

 

[Red James Cash]

Hopefully,cant see how it can be worse

 

[Clay Diggins]

I agree with his feelings about you being online to a point. You ought to be very careful about personal info.
Never give your real name even in pm with those you trust.

I am truly shocked! You aren't the REAL Jeff Gordon? So who the heck has been driving your car?

Here I was going to ask you how you were enjoying your recent retirement!

Wow the internet - who knew - you just can't believe anything you read.

Signed
Benjamin Franklin

 

[WannaDig3687]

I agree with his feelings about you being online to a point. You ought to be very careful about personal info.
Never give your real name even in pm with those you trust - just no need for it
same with where you live
never give anyone money EVER ( girls fall for the sob stories too easily)
even with details of your life that someone can google ( no pics of you)

I think these apply to all females and minors ( grown up men can take their own chances)

I am truly shocked! You aren't the REAL Jeff Gordon? So who the heck has been driving your car?

Here I was going to ask you how you were enjoying your recent retirement!

Wow the internet - who knew - you just can't believe anything you read.

Signed
Benjamin Franklin

Shoot. Should I change my name?
How about Amelia Earhart? Shoot that's got my first name in it.
How about Anne Bonny? Shoot that's got my middle name in it.
How about Danica Patrick? Shoot that's got my husband's name in it.
How about Anonymous?

Are you saying he lied? I was hoping for an autograph.

Well, since you're not who you say you are, send back my $25,000, and I won't call the authorities on you.

 

[Peyton Manning]

ok, ok, I get it I'm sorry