The 3rd Beale's letter

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The same question I could ask you. Why author has created 3 ciphers instead of 1 plain text?

Because there is no secret treasure, just another fanciful tale of treasure. This is also why the author used the word "authentic" instead of "true" when describing the nature of his tale. "Authentic" simply meaning that it is an original work, unlike "true" which would be to claim that the story really took place. :laughing7:
 

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I don’t know your encryption/decryption skills, but you have no understanding of linguistics.

Here is a simple cipher containing a grammatically correct clear text in English. Tell me what your data suggest? And then I’ll show you the correct clear text and also something very profound as to why you can't even begin to assume that your data is accurate:

16, 288, 27, 39, 1988, 125, 29, 1473, 111, 84, 93, 104, 99, 125, 11, 18, 37, 331, 294, 5, 26, 188, 171, 26, 122, 29, 30, 1299, 13, 6, 1387, 1554, 19, 87, 56, 65, 63, 88, 10, 71, 54, 1335, 22, 87, 43, 77, 17, 20, 128, 81, 68, 119, 16, 200, 42, 103, 1578, 54, 40, 60, 2, 86, 70, 16, 6, 87, 107, 80, 221, 119, 331, 881, 1130, 1111, 12, 3, 62, 99, 18, 131, 15, 33, 21, 58, 50, 11, 26, 184, 55, 491, 301, 13, 286, 14, 7, 41, 38, 1440, 22, 114, 263, 288, 57, 73, 9, 15, 286, 1991, 76, 30, 80, 103.
 

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Juskevicius

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Here is a simple cipher containing a grammatically correct clear text in English. Tell me what your data suggest? And then I’ll show you the correct clear text and also something very profound as to why you can't even begin to assume that your data is accurate:

16, 288, 27, 39, 1988, 125, 29, 1473, 111, 84, 93, 104, 99, 125, 11, 18, 37, 331, 294, 5, 26, 188, 171, 26, 122, 29, 30, 1299, 13, 6, 1387, 1554, 19, 87, 56, 65, 63, 88, 10, 71, 54, 1335, 22, 87, 43, 77, 17, 20, 128, 81, 68, 119, 16, 200, 42, 103, 1578, 54, 40, 60, 2, 86, 70, 16, 6, 87, 107, 80, 221, 119, 331, 881, 1130, 1111, 12, 3, 62, 99, 18, 131, 15, 33, 21, 58, 50, 11, 26, 184, 55, 491, 301, 13, 286, 14, 7, 41, 38, 1440, 22, 114, 263, 288, 57, 73, 9, 15, 286, 1991, 76, 30, 80, 103.

In other words. Do you ask me, what does it mean? It could be whatever. Depends on area, no KEY, no HINTS - no additional info.
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bigscoop

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In other words. Do you ask me, what does it mean? It could be whatever. Depends on area, no KEY, no HINTS - no additional info.
View attachment 1921262

Exactly. Without a key you have nothing to compare this cipher to. So, just for kicks, take your directory key and let us assume for the time being that this is the area correct key to be applied. Now what does your data suggest? Trust me, this is going somewhere....
 

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Juskevicius

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Yea. Got a text. I was too lazy to go over 1000, so '?' instead seen. The big problem here is consecutive consonants.
thts?Lo?raorbLoritcfaavapoO?ri??moNtIasoi?josmMbteiettfw?iofMastioSiteto??tiCbrwoatLooamLoorrbpjt?jMbhaipor?cOiw
 

bigscoop

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Here is a simple cipher containing a grammatically correct clear text in English. Tell me what your data suggest? And then I’ll show you the correct clear text and also something very profound as to why you can't even begin to assume that your data is accurate:

16, 288, 27, 39, 1988, 125, 29, 1473, 111, 84, 93, 104, 99, 125, 11, 18, 37, 331, 294, 5, 26, 188, 171, 26, 122, 29, 30, 1299, 13, 6, 1387, 1554, 19, 87, 56, 65, 63, 88, 10, 71, 54, 1335, 22, 87, 43, 77, 17, 20, 128, 81, 68, 119, 16, 200, 42, 103, 1578, 54, 40, 60, 2, 86, 70, 16, 6, 87, 107, 80, 221, 119, 331, 881, 1130, 1111, 12, 3, 62, 99, 18, 131, 15, 33, 21, 58, 50, 11, 26, 184, 55, 491, 301, 13, 286, 14, 7, 41, 38, 1440, 22, 114, 263, 288, 57, 73, 9, 15, 286, 1991, 76, 30, 80, 103.

There are 26 letters in the alphabet, in the cipher above one simply takes each four digit code and they add up each individual four digit code's numbers, 1988 = 25 = "y" which is the 25th letter in the alphabet. All of the other codes are just decoys. We only assume that the other two ciphers are to be decoded using the same process as was applied to C2 but the truth is that there are many-many ways that these ciphers could have been designed. If the author already has "the key" and that key isn't working for the other two ciphers then it's not the same process (if there is indeed a clear text in those two remaining ciphers?) But in the narration the author is pretty clear about "key" and not "keys." So my point is simply this, we can run all of the computer analysis we like but if we don't know how a cipher is designed then there is no point in doing so.
 

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Juskevicius, not sure if you are using a program you built or by hand
here is one made for Beale, runs on win OS, i think english only
https://www.angelfire.com/pro/bealeciphers/Page5.htm

love the enthusiasm, somewhere here in the Beale forum/threads I
posted some books that where around 4 sale in a newspaper clip.
are you related to E. Juskevicius the soccer player, yes i like soccer
I know some European names are common like Smith/Brown here
 

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Juskevicius, not sure if you are using a program you built or by hand
here is one made for Beale, runs on win OS, i think english only
https://www.angelfire.com/pro/bealeciphers/Page5.htm

love the enthusiasm, somewhere here in the Beale forum/threads I
posted some books that where around 4 sale in a newspaper clip.
are you related to E. Juskevicius the soccer player, yes i like soccer
I know some European names are common like Smith/Brown here

This is very cool..I like this program!!
 

bigscoop

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This is very cool..I like this program!!

This is Ron's website, known him for years and we have frequently discussed the Beale narration and ciphers, still do on occasion. I think I first came into contact with Ron in the 90's. Good guy, for sure.
 

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Juskevicius

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Juskevicius, not sure if you are using a program you built or by hand
here is one made for Beale, runs on win OS, i think english only
https://www.angelfire.com/pro/bealeciphers/Page5.htm

love the enthusiasm, somewhere here in the Beale forum/threads I
posted some books that where around 4 sale in a newspaper clip.
are you related to E. Juskevicius the soccer player, yes i like soccer
I know some European names are common like Smith/Brown here

Thank you. I didn't know about this program. It should be useful for me. Used an ordinary office application LibreOffice Base.
 

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Juskevicius

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>are you related E. Juskevicius the soccer player
I don't think so. This is quite popular surname in Lithuania.
 

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