"The Lue Map and the Nazi Connection -2. Continuation of the topic."

[Ramiro valdez]

Bring back the map with all the keys

 

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[Sergei 3]

good ! So let’s get it started!

What exactly? Continue hints? What about your thoughts? I need your conclusions and assumptions, and I can only suggest "hot or cold" as in a children's guessing game.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

There is no vault, the gold was placed underground. The map describes the gold as buried underground. I don’t need you to tell me hot or cold! I’ve seen the place in question?

 

[Ramiro valdez]

There is no four corners and there is no George Washington monument. There is only the map and the details of the place.

 

[Sergei 3]

There is no four corners and there is no George Washington monument. There is only the map and the details of the place.

Do not be offended (do not get excited). To put it a little differently, gold has storage below the surface.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

it doesn’t have storage beneath.

 

[Ramiro valdez]

It’s just buried gold

 

[Ramiro valdez]

As matter of fact there is barely anything nearby.

 

[Sergei 3]

As matter of fact there is barely anything nearby.

There is storage! And even the entrance to it, with a certain "lock" is securely protected, just like that it will not work to crack it, you need to know the instructions that are clearly indicated on the map. Incorrect penetration leads to the death of not only the daredevil adventurer, but also to other surprises (if you carefully read my first stories). "Surprise" from the Fuhrer himself, who was embodied by "Otto".

 

[Ramiro valdez]

I though you were serious this time about deciphering the map! But now I think your just trying to add to your Indiana Jones type of story? I give you one last chance to let me decipher the map here with you, only cause you started the talk on the Lue map. Other wise I’m going to open up a new thread to do it my self and you know I’m going to spoil your story plans. Why don’t you delay your story until after the map has been decipher? It’s better for you this way you don’t have to admit a second time that it’s all about a fiction story. Think about it I have to go now.

 

[Sergei 3]

I though you were serious this time about deciphering the map! But now I think your just trying to add to your Indiana Jones type of story? I give you one last chance to let me decipher the map here with you, only cause you started the talk on the Lue map. Other wise I’m going to open up a new thread to do it my self and you know I’m going to spoil your story plans. Why don’t you delay your story until after the map has been decipher? It’s better for you this way you don’t have to admit a second time that it’s all about a fiction story. Think about it I have to go now.

No, from the very beginning I described everything not for embellishment (artistic digressions were only for completeness of perception), but again I affirm that they were as close as possible to real history. And everything that I have listed for you here, this "Map" really tells. For now, let's stop there.

 

[sdcfia]

No, from the very beginning I described everything not for embellishment (artistic digressions were only for completeness of perception), but again I affirm that they were as close as possible to real history. And everything that I have listed for you here, this "Map" really tells. For now, let's stop there.

Still propping up the old Charles Dean Miller wildly successful joke on the TH world, I see. Good luck with your attention gathering. Rv's Post #16 is the most interesting so far in this thread, only because he targets southern NM, which is where I am.

Factual treasure maps have been passe for a couple hundred years - the "LUE" cartoon a textbook example of circular diversion. When you're hiding wealth, all you need are accurate lat/long coordinates. There are numerous ways of coding them for the personal use of the owners. The "treasure maps" are just shiny things to send the monkeys scurrying. No harm in that, as a searcher ofter benefits from fresh air and exercise. while exploring new terrain.

 

[Sergei 3]

Still propping up the old Charles Dean Miller wildly successful joke on the TH world, I see. Good luck with your attention gathering. Rv's Post #16 is the most interesting so far in this thread, only because he targets southern NM, which is where I am.

Factual treasure maps have been passe for a couple hundred years - the "LUE" cartoon a textbook example of circular diversion. When you're hiding wealth, all you need are accurate lat/long coordinates. There are numerous ways of coding them for the personal use of the owners. The "treasure maps" are just shiny things to send the monkeys scurrying. No harm in that, as a searcher ofter benefits from fresh air and exercise. while exploring new terrain.

I agree with you, but not in everything. Agree at least that this is not quite a traditional treasure map. And until now, for more than 80 years, no one could solve it (until your humble servant took it up). Let's start with the fact that the name of the card does not sound like that at all, not the Lue card, but the Lu card. Then, the creator of this card is well known to me, I know his biography from birth to the date of death, all his hobbies and habits, and without knowing this, it was impossible to unravel the card. Then, I know why it (the map) is called that (or rather, why he called it that), this is also a kind of key to deciphering.

 

[sdcfia]

I agree with you, but not in everything. Agree at least that this is not quite a traditional treasure map. And until now, for more than 80 years, no one could solve it (until your humble servant took it up). Let's start with the fact that the name of the card does not sound like that at all, not the Lue card, but the Lu card. Then, the creator of this card is well known to me, I know his biography from birth to the date of death, all his hobbies and habits, and without knowing this, it was impossible to unravel the card. Then, I know why it (the map) is called that (or rather, why he called it that), this is also a kind of key to deciphering.

Let's begin with Human Nature - it's very predictable. Why would the owner of an alleged valuable cache allow any chance of its discovery by outsiders, even by one who solves his puzzle? Further, why would he allow the puzzle to be published? Spoiler: he wouldn't, and if the cache existed, he would use the puzzle as a diversion.

 

[Sergei 3]

Let's begin with Human Nature - it's very predictable. Why would the owner of an alleged valuable cache allow any chance of its discovery by outsiders, even by one who solves his puzzle? Further, why would he allow the puzzle to be published? Spoiler: he wouldn't, and if the cache existed, he would use the puzzle as a diversion.

I already answered this question in the comments in the first article. And then why do you think it's easy to do? Over 80 years, the best encryption professionals have been struggling with this riddle. Read my comments carefully in 1 story to the end, I put all the points there and explained all the nuances. Only the one who completely deciphers the document will be able to achieve what he wants.

 

[sdcfia]

I already answered this question in the comments in the first article. And then why do you think it's easy to do? Over 80 years, the best encryption professionals have been struggling with this riddle. Read my comments carefully in 1 story to the end, I put all the points there and explained all the nuances. Only the one who completely deciphers the document will be able to achieve what he wants.

I tired of that first thread when it originally appeared. This current thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere either. You might be best served writing a book on the subject and spelling it all out.

While it's true that the Germans had considerable support in the USA during the 1930s, bought land in Utah, etc., I personally reject the "17 Tons of Gold/4 Corners Nazi Cache/destroy the economy/LUE map" allegations for many reasons, not the least of which is the conundrum of explaining how the "genius map" somehow got into the hands of the unwashed general public. Was it an "oops", or was my conversation decades ago with an old buddy of Miller correct when he was told by Miller himself that the whole thing was a joke?

 

[Sergei 3]

I tired of that first thread when it originally appeared. This current thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere either. You might be best served writing a book on the subject and spelling it all out.

While it's true that the Germans had considerable support in the USA during the 1930s, bought land in Utah, etc., I personally reject the "17 Tons of Gold/4 Corners Nazi Cache/destroy the economy/LUE map" allegations for many reasons, not the least of which is the conundrum of explaining how the "genius map" somehow got into the hands of the unwashed general public. Was it an "oops", or was my conversation decades ago with an old buddy of Miller correct when he was told by Miller himself that the whole thing was a joke?

Well, firstly, it was not Miller who published this map, but Karl Von Mueller. And secondly, it was a pseudonym (such a hero of history was previously in Germany) with a hint of the famous Heinrich Muller, head of the secret state police of the RSHA, who played an important role in acquiring this card. And secondly, the author himself specifically made it so that everyone would recognize it (the map), and it was a perfect and brilliant move, a super specialist in disinformation. You know, there are degrees of counterintelligence classification. The first is to bring disinformation to the enemy so that he believes in the truth of the information. And the highest degree is when true information is provided so that the enemy "figures out" the move, like a game with disinformation, and more so as not to betray more importance to it.

 

[sdcfia]

Well, firstly, it was not Miller who published this map, but Karl Von Mueller. And secondly, it was a pseudonym (such a hero of history was previously in Germany) with a hint of the famous Heinrich Muller, head of the secret state police of the RSHA, who played an important role in acquiring this card. And secondly, the author himself specifically made it so that everyone would recognize it (the map), and it was a perfect and brilliant move, a super specialist in disinformation. You know, there are degrees of counterintelligence classification. The first is to bring disinformation to the enemy so that he believes in the truth of the information. And the highest degree is when true information is provided so that the enemy "figures out" the move, like a game with disinformation, and more so as not to betray more importance to it.

Miller, Gladson, von Mueller - all the same human. That in itself is telling.

Yes, most popular 1930s treasure tales are strictly disinformative. While it's likely that some of the tales were fabricated simply to misdirect seekers away from actual valuable sites, the question re the rest (including the LUE) is whether there was an actual site to begin with or were the tales just that - treasure tales with no underlying validity.

 

[Sergei 3]

Miller, Gladson, von Mueller - all the same human. That in itself is telling.

Yes, most popular 1930s treasure tales are strictly disinformative. While it's likely that some of the tales were fabricated simply to misdirect seekers away from actual valuable sites, the question re the rest (including the LUE) is whether there was an actual site to begin with or were the tales just that - treasure tales with no underlying validity.

I repeatedly came to the same conclusion as yours, until the millet took up decoding. At the beginning, in order to understand whether there is at least some sense in this drawing with a pile of symbols. But after reading this rebus, everything changed, since the picture from the puzzles turned out to be quite interesting and logically coherent. And there are no dark places for interpretations in one direction or another. The place is indicated quite accurately and unambiguously.

 

[Sergei 3]

Miller, Gladson, von Mueller - all the same human. That in itself is telling.

Yes, most popular 1930s treasure tales are strictly disinformative. While it's likely that some of the tales were fabricated simply to misdirect seekers away from actual valuable sites, the question re the rest (including the LUE) is whether there was an actual site to begin with or were the tales just that - treasure tales with no underlying validity.

The first step in protecting information is to make it so that at a superficial glance it does not make sense and logic and make it uninteresting for everyone who tries to figure it out. What we have been seeing for decades. The author would be flattered that his secret lasted so long, he only counted on getting his gold at the end of the war. But a cruel joke, by the name of "fate" decreed otherwise, he was executed by sentence of demand, in April 1945, although he could have bought his life by telling about the discovery of the treasure. But again, he was a man of honor.