The Narration

[bigscoop]

Four residences, one known as “south” another “east” another “north” and another “west.” Wouldn’t matter where on the globe these residences were actually at, only those who knew the locations of the actual residences would be able to understand these coded communications, writings, etc. In fact, one could even give towns and cities the names of other towns and cities, nobody being the wiser unless they were already "in the loop." Now you may think that I'm just making all of this up, that none of this has really ever taken place outside of those good novels that creative writers think up in their heads, but........

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

But...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

'Tis NEAR or FAR; FAR or WIDE...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

GREAT title for your next book.

 

[devldog]

Far and Away.

 

[bigscoop]

I've always had issue with the manner in which the unknown author describes TJB, almost like ego.....

 

[bigscoop]

Universally known.....perhaps, just looking forward?
A hit with the ladies....we've all known men who thought they were.
And his described physical features......tall, dark, and handsome, etc.
If one didn't know any better they'd think that the author was speaking about his own self-absorbed legacy ......lol

 

[bigscoop]

If we look right down the road in Richmond we find a TJB of the correct age and who also fits the same general description, he was also a representative of the Jackson Ward district, his name appearing in the local newspaper, so he was at least well known enough that he garnered some measure of notoriety. Hard to imagine that he wasn't made fully aware of this tale of fabulous treasure that also singled out his name and general description as being the main character in that fabulous treasure tale. Just saying......if you want to find suspect #1 why look any further?

 

[bigscoop]

The name "Beale", as we should all be fully aware by now, also held a wide (universal) history up to, and including, the effected period. So it just has always seemed to me that someone was, perhaps, trying to prematurely etch their own proud legacy into that history.

 

[bigscoop]

The timing of Beale’s alleged adventures don’t only fall in perfect chronological with the signing and ratification of the Adam’s Onis Treaty, but also with one other seasonal event throughout history, this being especially true of the period in question.

And Morriss, his involvement, almost as if he was operating a type of established safe house for those involved in these highly suspected activities.

The city of Richmond, first established as a port city due to it’s location on the east coast and it’s waterways into the interior. Blockade runners and privateering vessels have a long established history in this port city. “Adventurers.”

Sherman the editor, Sherman and the privateering vessel, Torpedo, Sherman at Galveston Island, the Torpedo in Richmond harbor, and there is more.

Also, Privatering vessels were frequently funded by shareholders, a fleet of them frequently funded by as many as “thirty” shareholders or more. In 1818 through 1821 privateering was a thriving business, and while the US didn’t issue letters of Marque they certainly didn’t go out of their way to stop these activities in the US as these vessels were frequently refitted in cities like Charleston, Richmond, and Philadelphia, just to name a few, US customs fully aware of these activities. Both Spain and Great Britain also made constant complaint, these privateering activities in the gild and around South America perhaps solely responsible for finally breaking Spain’s financial back and their presence in the disputed territory and paving the way for the Adam’s Onis Treaty itself.

Jefferson, Monroe, Adams, none of them completely against the use of such tactics, Jefferson even stating as much. The DOI as key, Bedford’s locality in relationship to certain residences of both Monroe and Jefferson and also Richmond, this also being the very residence of proud suspect #1. Morriss entrusted with critical codes and information, and the list coincidences and circumstantial evidences goes on and on.

And now back to south, east, west, and north, the referencing of towns and cities by use of other well known town and city names, etc. Morriss a shareholder? A shareholder in what, exactly? And why?

And there you go, so easy to draw upon seemingly accurate and reasonable theories and remedies in this tale of fabulous adventure and treasure. So darn easy to piece those evidences together…..but....where is the smoking gun?

 

[ECS]

To understand the source of the Beale narrative story, one only needs to look no farther that the James Beverly Ward's extended famly starting with grandfather James Beverly Risque who fought a duel with a Thomas Beale, NO "J" to the murder of great uncle John Pickrell Risque in Arizona by Native Americans while inspecting gold and silver mines a years before Ward applied for copyright for the Beale Papers.

 

[bigscoop]

To understand the source of the Beale narrative story, one only needs to look no farther that the James Beverly Ward's extended famly starting with grandfather James Beverly Risque who fought a duel with a Thomas Beale, NO "J" to the murder of great uncle John Pickrell Risque in Arizona by Native Americans while inspecting gold and silver mines a years before Ward applied for copyright for the Beale Papers.

Without that smoking gun none of it really matters, it's "all" just speculation...... And that's been my point throughout all of these recent conversations. It can, and will be, whatever anyone desires to make it out to be, but always without that smoking gun.....

 

[ECS]

Solid speculation when one looks at that Risque/Ward extended family, and an author draws from sources that he knows.
In addition to post #11:
Cousin Julia Hancock married William Clark of Lewis & Clark
Risque and Pascal Buford served under Andrew Jackson, with Thomas Beale at Battle of New Orleans
Risque was Jackson's Aide de Camp during the Florida Campaigns, along with Davy Crockett
Risque and Buford held a Lynchburg Banquet for Jackson in 1815
Cousins Hutter, as well as Ward spent military time in St Louis, and dealt with Confederate ciphers during the Civil War
The Kennerly cousins had a mercantile and outfitters store in St Louis for those heading west across the Mississippi
Ward's wife, Harriet Emmaline Otey was related to the Bufords and Robert Morris by marriage.
Clayton Hart of the HART PAPERS (Beale Part 2) was also married to an Otey.
George Hart introduced Pauline Innis to the Beale story and to an Otey showing her a torn numbers covered paper in a iron box
Innis, with her "GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE" and Beale magazine articles, introduced the tale to a national audience in the 1960's

What began as a local "all in the family" based period adventure/treasure dime novel with play along ciphers pamphlet published for profit has grown into this never ending treasure story.

 

[bigscoop]

So what? Without that smoking gun it's "all" just more of the same conjecture and speculation. One can call it whatever he likes but without that smoking gun it's all still just an accumulation of baseless circumstantial evidences, all of which is way too easy to find.

 

[ECS]

If you say so, Bigscoop, but you have posted your share of "baseless circumstantial evidence" that is way more "circumstantial" that my "all in the family" sources for the narrative fictional story.

 

[bigscoop]

If you say so, Bigscoop, but you have posted your share of "baseless circumstantial evidence" that is way more "circumstantial" that my "all in the family" sources for the narrative fictional story.

"Exactly" my point.....and that point is that over the years "we have all fallen victim" to this tale despite "the fact" that in "all of this" there is still no smoking gun.... You can take whatever "theory" you like, and still, no smoking gun.....absolutely zero confirmation in any of it.

 

[metrotec]

ECS nailed it. Circulation of paper, and novels.

 

[ECS]

"Exactly" my point.....and that point is that over the years "we have all fallen victim" to this tale despite "the fact" that in "all of this" there is still no smoking gun.... You can take whatever "theory" you like, and still, no smoking gun.....absolutely zero confirmation in any of it.

...and there NEVER will be a smoking gun, but...
When all the theories are eliminated due to lack of collaboration of events outside of the Beale Papers, all that remains is the fictional story created from the imagination of the author/authors drawn from events from their extended family.

 

[bigscoop]

...and there NEVER will be a smoking gun, but...
When all the theories are eliminated due to lack of collaboration of events outside of the Beale Papers, all that remains is the fictional story created from the imagination of the author/authors drawn from events from their extended family.

I see them in two groups, 1) reasonable theories, and 2) fantasies. Of those very-very-very few reasonable theories....that same lack of a smoking gun favors none of them over the other, and this includes that complete work of fiction theory because it suffers from the same absence and has no smoking gun either. Just saying...as reasonable as it may be, it too suffers from that same absence.

 

[ECS]

If the Beale Papers is NOT a work of fiction because of your lack of the "smoking gun" claim , then we're back to the story narrative being true and solving the ciphers will lead to Beale's treasure vault.
I see the "smoking gun" being the "borrowed" events of the Risque/Ward extended family that made their way into the story narrative and the disclaimer of not to neglect your legitimate business activities to look for this treasure.
That is as good as a "smoking gun" one will ever get for this work of fiction for profit.