This could be a bombshell for the State of California

Oakview2

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From the New 49er board

Done a fair amount of research into the "takings" aspect of the dredge ban...
You'll love reading this:

There’s a 400-page document that gets attached to any bonds California wants to issue. Covers things like state property, income and expenditures, pensions, in order to paint an accurate picture of the State’s finances.

Surprisingly, the consolidated dredging cases are mentioned in this document in the litigation section. Says to me they think the legal action is very worrying to them and the costs could be significant to the state.

Here’s an example bond:
http://www.cityofsacramento.org/tre...ilding_2013 Lease_Revenue_Funding_SeriesA.pdf

Scroll down to page 29 of the PDF for the beginning of the State documentation.

Litigation section starts on page 173 of the PDF, or on A-137 of the attachment:
(Any emphasis is mine)

LITIGATION
The state is a party to numerous legal proceedings. The following describes litigation matters that are pending with service of process on the state accomplished and have been identified by the state as having a potentially significant fiscal impact upon the state’s revenues or expenditures. The state makes no representation regarding the likely outcome of these litigation matters.

Then drop down a couple pages, and you’ll find:

In Consolidated Suction Dredge Mining Cases (Karuk Tribe v. DFG) (Alameda, Siskiyou, and San Bernardino County Superior Courts), environmental and mining interests challenge the state’s regulation of suction dredge gold mining. After initially prohibiting such mining in the state except pursuant to a permit issued by the Department of Fish and Wildlife (formerly Fish and Game) under specified circumstances, the Legislature subsequently placed a
moratorium on all suction dredging until certain conditions are met by the Department of Fish and Wildlife. The cases are coordinated for hearing in San Bernardino County Superior Court (Case No. JCPDS4720). One of these matters, The New 49’ERS, Inc. et al. v. California
Department of Fish and Game, claims that federal law preempts and prohibits state regulation of suction dredge mining on federal land. Plaintiffs, who have pled a class action but have yet to seek certification, claim that as many as 11,000 claims, at a value of $500,000 per claim, have been taken.
 

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That is great news! Hit them where it hurts. They want radical environmentalism--then let them pay the piper. In the past they have managed to get by without any repercussions for any of their wacko rules, whether it was timber, water to farmers, dredging, etc.
 

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That is the only way to stop them. Hit them in the pocket book. You might be able to file for damages with their risk management division.
 

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The US Supreme Court has already ruled that Federal Mining Laws DO NOT pre-empt State environmental regulations.


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That is the only way to stop them. Hit them in the pocket book. You might be able to file for damages with their risk management division.
Would you PLEASE stop trolling the boards. I live on the east coast also and even I know you are wrong.
 

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There are THOUSANDS OF CASES OF CASE LAW, WHICH STATE THAT STATES CANNOT PREMPT FEDERAL LAW. YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ THE US CONSTITUION AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE SUPREMECY CLAUSE. GOOD GRIEF.

STOP POSTING DOJ OPINION AS LAW. GRANITE VS CALIFORNIA COSTAL COMMINSION DECSION GRANTED THE STATE TO REASONABLE REGULATION, AND THE THIRD APPELATE COURT OF THE STATE RULED JUST LAST WEEK THAT THE STATE HAS PROHIBITED UNDERWATER MINNING IN THE STATE, AND REVERSED THE CONVICTION OF BRAND RINEHART.
 

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As long as the enviro's control the State government in Cali, dredging is just going to be a pipe dream.
 

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There are THOUSANDS OF CASES OF CASE LAW, WHICH STATE THAT STATES CANNOT PREMPT FEDERAL LAW. YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ THE US CONSTITUION AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE SUPREMECY CLAUSE. GOOD GRIEF.

STOP POSTING DOJ OPINION AS LAW. GRANITE VS CALIFORNIA COSTAL COMMINSION DECSION GRANTED THE STATE TO REASONABLE REGULATION, AND THE THIRD APPELATE COURT OF THE STATE RULED JUST LAST WEEK THAT THE STATE HAS PROHIBITED UNDERWATER MINNING IN THE STATE, AND REVERSED THE CONVICTION OF BRAND RINEHART.

The 1872 mining act requires compliance with State and Local Laws and requires that claim holders obtain all necessary permits.

In addition the Clean Water Act is Federal so what is to be pre-empted?

The mining act does not allow pollution of any kind and certainly as defined by the CWA that is currently being amended to include small non tidal streams, creek's, dry washes and other non navigable waters. Then dredging and other forms of mining will be gone from the whole Country.

Instead of ignoring everything that I post because it is not what you want to believe you and everyone should be writing to your representatives!
 

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As long as the enviro's control the State government in Cali, dredging is just going to be a pipe dream.

I suggest that you take Terry's comment as a hint to what you should be doing. Finding some loophole will do nothing! They will amend and close the loophole just like they amended the definition of suction dredge.

As far as pre-empt goes, it didn't help any of these cases...


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You cannot prempt federal law with state law or regulation. Again the Supremacy clause of the US Constitution insures that. Laws passed by the Congress cannot be prempted by State or Federal Regulation, including the DOJ's opinion.
 

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Chlsbrns Miners can't get a permit in California at this time. If we could we would be in compliance with the 1872 mining law.
 

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You need a link to the US Constitution, google Supremacy Clause, sheesh
 

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Supreme Court has also ruled Feds can not force state or local employees to enforce or help feds enforce federal laws.
 

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One thing to think about is,if you are 100 miles or under from any border with another country or 100 miles or under from any shore line constitutional law does not exist.Inside that 100 mile range is the constitution free zone.Dont believe it look it up.
 

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Where do I apply for my sluice permit?
 

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You chlsbrns...have been crapping all over California prospectors...who have been there. They know whats up...they live there!! They have been doing, what they do, for years without your help. Come on out here! Show up at Brandon's court dates! Donate to the PLP!!!!!
Or...my suggestion.... STFU!!
Oregon permit for hand sluicing......from 2010 ? Get a clue.....
 

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Not to sound negative, but whats 5.5 million compared to California's massive $778 Billion dollar Debt?
Its a sprinkle on the wall next to the Urinal that is our great states financial situation.

In a positive light, anything that we can use to get one more step forward to getting back into the water is a good thing.
 

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