silvercop said:thanks all. i had another steak of luck to share. i went in to dump this morning and one of the tellers asked me if i was still looking for the new pennies. my heart almost stopped.....and i replyed calmly yes. she asked me how many i wanted and i said i would take any that she would sell me. she said she had 4 boxes of the formative years. i took them all and i just listed them on feebay.