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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
those are some awesome finds....
those are some awesome finds....
United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
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Peerless67
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Schuyler v. United Air Lines, 94 F.Supp. 472 (M.D. Pa., 1950)
94 F.Supp. 472
SCHUYLER
v.
UNITED AIR LINES, Inc.
Civ. No. 3304.
United States District Court M. D. Pennsylvania.
December 18, 1950.
Page 473
Ralph P. Needle and Needle, Needle & Needle, all of Scranton, Pa., Guy E. Ward, Beverly Hills, Cal., Douglas N. Sharretts, Baltimore, Md., for plaintiff.
Eugene Nogi and Nogi, O'Malley & Harris, all of Scranton, Pa., Owen B. Rhoads, Arthur E. Newbold, III, and Barnes, Dechert, Price, Myers & Clark, all of Philadelphia, Pa., and David L. Corbin, New York City, for defendant.
WATSON, Chief Judge.
This is a suit by Jessie I. Schuyler, Ancillary Executrix of the Estate of Earl Carroll, deceased, Plaintiff, against the United Air Lines, Inc., Defendant, under the Pennsylvania "Survival" Statute1 for damages for the death of Earl Carroll, who was killed instantly when Defendant's Douglas DC-6 Aircraft No. NC-37506 on which he was a passenger crashed near Mt. Carmel, Pennsylvania, about 12:41 P.M., on June 17, 1948. The case was tried before the Court and a jury. The jury returned a verdict in favor of the Defendant.
The case is now before the Court on Plaintiff's Motion to set aside the verdict and judgment entered thereon, and for a new trial. At the oral argument on the Motion, counsel for Plaintiff urged only one reason as ground for granting the motion, although other reasons stated in the written motion were not withdrawn. The reason urged was that the Court committed prejudicial error in connection with questions concerning certain documents, and photostatic copies thereof, referred to throughout the trial as the "Zell Report".
After this case was set for trial to begin April 3, 1950, counsel for Plaintiff presented to the Court, on March 31, 1950, a Motion for Production of Documents, etc., under Rule 34 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.2 The Motion contained requests in twenty-nine separate paragraphs for documents of various descriptions, including a request in paragraph 22 for "Copy of report by Mr. Louis Zell, Chief of Communications, United Air Lines, pertaining
Page 474
to interpretation of recordings of radio contact between Flight 624 United Air Lines, June 16-17, 1948, between the hours of 12:30 E.S.T., and 12:45 E.S.T., June 17, 1948." On April 3, 1950, a jury was sworn to try the case, and on April 4, 1950, and April 5, 1950, an argument was held in Chambers on Plaintiff's Motion for Production of Documents, etc. On April 5, 1950, Opinion and Order3 were filed by this Court granting in part and denying in part Plaintiff's Motion for Production of Documents, etc. This Opinion, in referring to paragraph 22 of Plaintiff's Motion, stated: "It appears that, as to requests for production referred to in Paragraphs * * * 22 * * * the defendant does not have same in its possession, custody or control, and, therefore, the motion for the production of the documents, papers, books, etc., referred...
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Schuyler v. United Air Lines, 94 F.Supp. 472 (M.D. Pa., 1950)
94 F.Supp. 472
SCHUYLER
v.
UNITED AIR LINES, Inc.
Civ. No. 3304.
United States District Court M. D. Pennsylvania.
December 18, 1950.
Page 473
Ralph P. Needle and Needle, Needle & Needle, all of Scranton, Pa., Guy E. Ward, Beverly Hills, Cal., Douglas N. Sharretts, Baltimore, Md., for plaintiff.
Eugene Nogi and Nogi, O'Malley & Harris, all of Scranton, Pa., Owen B. Rhoads, Arthur E. Newbold, III, and Barnes, Dechert, Price, Myers & Clark, all of Philadelphia, Pa., and David L. Corbin, New York City, for defendant.
WATSON, Chief Judge.
This is a suit by Jessie I. Schuyler, Ancillary Executrix of the Estate of Earl Carroll, deceased, Plaintiff, against the United Air Lines, Inc., Defendant, under the Pennsylvania "Survival" Statute1 for damages for the death of Earl Carroll, who was killed instantly when Defendant's Douglas DC-6 Aircraft No. NC-37506 on which he was a passenger crashed near Mt. Carmel, Pennsylvania, about 12:41 P.M., on June 17, 1948. The case was tried before the Court and a jury. The jury returned a verdict in favor of the Defendant.
The case is now before the Court on Plaintiff's Motion to set aside the verdict and judgment entered thereon, and for a new trial. At the oral argument on the Motion, counsel for Plaintiff urged only one reason as ground for granting the motion, although other reasons stated in the written motion were not withdrawn. The reason urged was that the Court committed prejudicial error in connection with questions concerning certain documents, and photostatic copies thereof, referred to throughout the trial as the "Zell Report".
After this case was set for trial to begin April 3, 1950, counsel for Plaintiff presented to the Court, on March 31, 1950, a Motion for Production of Documents, etc., under Rule 34 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.2 The Motion contained requests in twenty-nine separate paragraphs for documents of various descriptions, including a request in paragraph 22 for "Copy of report by Mr. Louis Zell, Chief of Communications, United Air Lines, pertaining
Page 474
to interpretation of recordings of radio contact between Flight 624 United Air Lines, June 16-17, 1948, between the hours of 12:30 E.S.T., and 12:45 E.S.T., June 17, 1948." On April 3, 1950, a jury was sworn to try the case, and on April 4, 1950, and April 5, 1950, an argument was held in Chambers on Plaintiff's Motion for Production of Documents, etc. On April 5, 1950, Opinion and Order3 were filed by this Court granting in part and denying in part Plaintiff's Motion for Production of Documents, etc. This Opinion, in referring to paragraph 22 of Plaintiff's Motion, stated: "It appears that, as to requests for production referred to in Paragraphs * * * 22 * * * the defendant does not have same in its possession, custody or control, and, therefore, the motion for the production of the documents, papers, books, etc., referred...
https://www.fastcase.com/Google/Sta...46b727af0946a7f60bc5c458ee7fd151fe9e944e12e2d
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Intresting !
Thought I seen it all.
I never knew about that
thanks Peerless67
Intresting !
Thought I seen it all.
I never knew about that
thanks Peerless67
narragansett
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
What a great thread and very interesting read. That being said, it must have been a very strange and weird feeling to be right on that site.
What a great thread and very interesting read. That being said, it must have been a very strange and weird feeling to be right on that site.
RelicHunterSantise
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Wow. That is an amzaing story.
Congrats are in order!
xoxo
Wow. That is an amzaing story.
Congrats are in order!
xoxo
Twin Digger
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
wow what history!!!!
wow what history!!!!
Dirty WhiteBoy
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
This is really what treasure hunting is all about. The families will appreciate the recovery of their relatives articles. People lost their lives there.....to me that makes their items sacred. They are so much more than just treasure. I very much enjoyed this story... it is history....something that really happened. Wish I would have read about it sooner.
This is really what treasure hunting is all about. The families will appreciate the recovery of their relatives articles. People lost their lives there.....to me that makes their items sacred. They are so much more than just treasure. I very much enjoyed this story... it is history....something that really happened. Wish I would have read about it sooner.
djm of PA
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I'm glad this topic came back up to the top. This is an amazing story of not only a tragic event but of the HUGE efforts put forth by two members to go out there and resurrect pieces of the day. Jeff, I will never forget the day you came and showed me the ring and teeth. I never told you, but that was the day that I KNEW I would one day follow in your shoes as a treasure hunter, LOL. I wish I had gotten into the hobby earlier in life, but I'm glad I have now started. Thanks for that and thanks for sharing the story with everyone and all your kind acts to those involved. It shows the people who don't know you personally how good of a person you really are
I'm glad this topic came back up to the top. This is an amazing story of not only a tragic event but of the HUGE efforts put forth by two members to go out there and resurrect pieces of the day. Jeff, I will never forget the day you came and showed me the ring and teeth. I never told you, but that was the day that I KNEW I would one day follow in your shoes as a treasure hunter, LOL. I wish I had gotten into the hobby earlier in life, but I'm glad I have now started. Thanks for that and thanks for sharing the story with everyone and all your kind acts to those involved. It shows the people who don't know you personally how good of a person you really are
airborne1092
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Amazing story! It's great that you maintained the persistience and patience to research and dig this site for some amazing finds. This story only furthers my own resolve and diligence with MDing.
And, to top it off, I now know where jeff_of_pa's avatar comes from!
Great work and I look forward reading more updates and pondering more pieces of information puzzle.
Amazing story! It's great that you maintained the persistience and patience to research and dig this site for some amazing finds. This story only furthers my own resolve and diligence with MDing.
And, to top it off, I now know where jeff_of_pa's avatar comes from!
Great work and I look forward reading more updates and pondering more pieces of information puzzle.
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Wow!!! Great post!!!
I read up on this flight. My understanding is that, essentially, the pilots asphyxiated themselves by missing a step in operating the fire suppression system on the plane. Probably, a contributing cause was the low time the captain had in the DC-6. Really, both pilots were relatively low time in that aircraft.
Sad that a simple mistake could lead to such tragedy, as the plane was never on fire and in perfect operating condition before being flown into the side of the mountain.
Wow!!! Great post!!!
I read up on this flight. My understanding is that, essentially, the pilots asphyxiated themselves by missing a step in operating the fire suppression system on the plane. Probably, a contributing cause was the low time the captain had in the DC-6. Really, both pilots were relatively low time in that aircraft.
Sad that a simple mistake could lead to such tragedy, as the plane was never on fire and in perfect operating condition before being flown into the side of the mountain.
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Awesome posts guys... Super finds! The teeth are a little eerie knowing they were from the crash but still... What a find!
Awesome posts guys... Super finds! The teeth are a little eerie knowing they were from the crash but still... What a find!
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Simply amazing is all I can add
Simply amazing is all I can add
Silver Searcher
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
I wasn't around in 2005 when this was first posted![:-\](https://www.treasurenet.com/smilies/undecided.gif "Undecided :-\")
now I see were your Avarter comes from 
I was wondering did you make the Banner with this post 
The history here and the story of the recovery finds made by yourself and buddy...well I haven't read the whole post yet, but I am going to
I might be lucky to dig Ancient coins here, but I would have given my hind teeth to have been there with you guys. I will proberly post again later, after reading the whole thread
SS
I wasn't around in 2005 when this was first posted
now I see were your Avarter comes from I was wondering did you make the Banner with this post The history here and the story of the recovery finds made by yourself and buddy...well I haven't read the whole post yet, but I am going to I might be lucky to dig Ancient coins here, but I would have given my hind teeth to have been there with you guys. I will proberly post again later, after reading the whole thread
SS
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Thanks
There was no banner in 2005
& if there was It wouldn't have Qualified.
we made the Finds in 2003 & 2004.
I Made the Post in Best Finds & It ended up here
I Actually waited till We were done with the site,
& our permissions were No longer possable,
Before deciding on making a post.
Didn't want a Mad rush of hunters.
The Owners were Nice enough to give us
Exclusive Permission.
Silver Searcher said:
I wasn't around in 2005 when this was first posted
I might be lucky to dig Ancient coins here, but I would have given my hind teeth to have been there with you guys. I will proberly post again later, after reading the whole thread
SS
Thanks
There was no banner in 2005
& if there was It wouldn't have Qualified.
we made the Finds in 2003 & 2004.
I Made the Post in Best Finds & It ended up here
I Actually waited till We were done with the site,
& our permissions were No longer possable,
Before deciding on making a post.
Didn't want a Mad rush of hunters.
The Owners were Nice enough to give us
Exclusive Permission.
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
I know this post has been idle for awhile, but I just learned of the crash this summer when I lost my father. His father, Walter Kendall, was a passenger on this flight and I have found this thread very informative. Can you tell me if there are still remnants at the site? I would like to visit the site next summer.
I know this post has been idle for awhile, but I just learned of the crash this summer when I lost my father. His father, Walter Kendall, was a passenger on this flight and I have found this thread very informative. Can you tell me if there are still remnants at the site? I would like to visit the site next summer.
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
There is Not Much you Can see anymore.
There are Remains of The Transformer the Plane hit,
& The Pole Line on the Embankment The Plane
Crashed Into are Viewable, Within the woods.
The Site is Heavily Posted, and there was always
somone Sitting in a Vehicle at the Dirt road in,
Counting trucks.
They were always Friendly, But it's been a good many
years now. I Doubt they are the same crew.
I Doubt you would have A problem with Being alowed
on To check it out Though.
There is Not Much you Can see anymore.
There are Remains of The Transformer the Plane hit,
& The Pole Line on the Embankment The Plane
Crashed Into are Viewable, Within the woods.
The Site is Heavily Posted, and there was always
somone Sitting in a Vehicle at the Dirt road in,
Counting trucks.
They were always Friendly, But it's been a good many
years now. I Doubt they are the same crew.
I Doubt you would have A problem with Being alowed
on To check it out Though.
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Re: United Airlines DC-6 Flight 624
Thank you Jeff.
Thank you Jeff.
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Great thread and pics!
All the best,
Lanny
Great thread and pics!
All the best,
Lanny
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