Thanks Sodetraveler... We will try again. Although my brother has the keys to the gates, it is not always guaranteed that I can get access into the ranch. My brother makes a call to the ranch caretaker and it either yay or nay from there. There are other areas outside the ranch that we found some bottles - a good secondary spot. Takayama Camp is nice area that I wish I can bring all my friends but for now I'd have to play it smooth.