Walt Gasslers Notes on Dutchman Legend

[nobodie]

Your father is a real Legend Of The Superstition Mountains, and always will be.

 

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[cactusjumper]

Old,

First, let me say that I am in no way associated with The SMHS Museum. While the how and whom of Walter Gassler's Manuscript getting to the SMHS Museum may or may not be important to each person, let me state this in unequivocal terms:

SINCE THE DAY I MET GREG DAVIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, i HAVE NEVER FOUND HIM TO BE ANYTHING BUT POLITE, OPEN, AND HAVE NEVER FOUND HIM TO HAVE BEEN ANYTHING BUT HONEST AND VERY SHARING IN ALL OF OUR DEALINGS. I HAVE CONFERRED WITH HIM A FEW TIMES ABOUT THINGS WHICH WERE BEST SPOKEN ABOUT PRIVATELY. GREG IS ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE DEALING WITH THE LDM SAGA THAT IF HE STATES SOMETHING AS FACT, I TAKE HIM ON HIS WORD.

So, with that in mind, if he states without equivocation that the manuscript came to the museum with the permission of the author, that is good enough for me. I don't have time for lies and BS. When I catch someone in a blatant lie to me, I no longer have anything to do with them. While Bill was wrong about almost everything in his post, there is one huge disadvantage that people who live far away have; they don't know the people involved in the hunt. Most Dutch Hunters don't post online because every discussion winds up being childish and insulting. There are some people (you know who you are) that if they told me it was raining, I would look out a window to check. There are even a very few people that I trust implicitly, and there are a LOT of people that fall somewhere in between the two. The only way to know who you can trust, and who you can't is to put in the time, and get to know the people (and I don't just mean the people on TNet). If all you have to go by is what is here on TNet and Google Earth, you are at a HUGE disadvantage.

................ a quick aside here. One of the big things that Bill was wrong about was mentioning Blindbowman. While I discounted EVERYTHING about his theories, I will give him credit for some things:

1. Opposite of what Bill stated, he did all his own research. Granted, it was all via google earth, but his research was his own.

2. Unlike many people who pop up here and make extravagant claims, Blindbowman (unlike Bill) actually went into the mountains during The Rendezvous a few years ago. He was wrong, and what he found on GE was Chuck Crawford's Diggings in LaBarge Canyon. As goofy as his theories were, at least he had the cojones to show up at a Rendezvous where a bunch of people were laughing at him, and tried to prove his theories on the ground. I give him props for that.Bill seems to think less of those of us that live out of state. Funny that some of the most knowledgeable people regarding this subject DON'T live in AZ. Maybe Bill would like to express that sentiment to people like Somehiker(Connecticut I believe), maybe Roy and Beth (Dakotas). Chuck Kenworthy(Los Angeles)? Matthew Roberts has been climbing around those mountains since the 1970s. Yeah Bill, I guess Adolph Ruth would have to fall under your umbrella as well. I guess that Bill also doesn't remember members of TEAMFVR over on Feldman's Forum. A group from Silicon Valley composed of some of the smartest and most tech savvy people I have ever seen. How about Tracy Hawkins(England)? I can go on and on regarding a huge number of very smart and very rugged folks from all over the world that do their own research and come to Arizona to work out their theories. Bill hasn't a clue, and to drive the point home, one such group from Los Angeles actually found a cave containing some gold bars in the Supers many years ago (1960s I believe).

So, by insulting and dismissing everybody not from AZ, he is only showing ignorance.

Mike

Mike,

Actually, when BB laid a topo out on our table, I immediately put my finger on the spot he was going to. His jaw dropped a bit. I believe there is a post somewhere in which I identify the location as an old Crawford dig/claim(?) In fact, I knew where he was going many years before he showed up.

Hope you get to meet Mr. Gassler soon, as that would be an interesting man to talk to.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[txtea]

Mike,

Actually, when BB laid a topo out on our table, I immediately put my finger on the spot he was going to. His jaw dropped a bit. I believe there is a post somewhere in which I identify the location as an old Crawford dig/claim(?) In fact, I knew where he was going many years before he showed up.

Hope you get to meet Mr. Gassler soon, as that would be an interesting man to talk to.

Good luck,

Joe

LOL I remember that well. I was standing beside you at the table with the topo map supplied by whomever was camped across the awning from you. (I can't remember names for squat).
BB was speechless for a moment after that.
Hats off to him though...at least he had the chonies to show up and do what he said he was going to do.

 

[cactusjumper]

LOL I remember that well. I was standing beside you at the table with the topo map supplied by whomever was camped across the awning from you. (I can't remember names from squat).
BB was speechless for a moment after that.
Hats off to him though...at least he had the chonies to show up and do what he said he was going to do.

txtea,

Thank you for confirming my memory of the event. Sometimes I even have to question myself.

I also gave BB kudo's for showing up. I had once told him, when he was talking about how rough it was to get to his site, most people would be able to get there with a bag of chips and a bottle of water. He looked near dead when he returned that day. For a man in his shape, it did take balls to make the attempt to hike to a site in the Superstitions that he had never been to before.

Take care,

Joe

 

[azdave35]

joe...do you remember where BB's site was?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

BB was a sort of hero, however he has never posted in here since, what happened to him ? He actually did no wrong, just had a mistaken belief and stuck to it. heres to him

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

If you don't Joe, then I will do that for you. Yer wrong

(I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS , BUT YOU ARE WRONG)

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

AZ, also where he posts now. ( as an old Crawford dig/claim(?)

 

[azdave35]

crawford had a few areas he worked in the mountains...upper la barge box was one...is that where BB thought the ldm was?

 

[cactusjumper]

joe...do you remember where BB's site was?

Dave,

Put this map together a number of years before bb showed up:



Believe that's pretty damn close.

Take care,

Joe

 

[azdave35]

did he ever explain his reasoning for the ldm being in that area?

 

[cactusjumper]

did he ever explain his reasoning for the ldm being in that area?

Dave,

Any reasoning by bb, must be viewed through the visions of a Shaman who conversed with Moctezuma. Good luck with that. I assume he found the spot with Google Earth.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

BB was a sort of hero, however he has never posted in here since, what happened to him ? He actually did no wrong, just had a mistaken belief and stuck to it. heres to him

On BB - perhaps I should not say this as he no longer participates in our discussions but I too have to give kudos for doing what he said he would do, came to the rendezvous, hiked to his site, and the part that I think had to be the hardest, to come back and admit he was wrong when he found it was nothing but an empty hole. It takes a big man to admit you are wrong especially after saying so much about it before.

Privately, BB told me that most of the wild, even ridiculous stuff that he had posted, he was never serious about nor believed it himself, it was all in fun and he was only adding it to liven up the conversation; and got a few laughs out of it when people would get shocked at it. He said that he felt that if we did not add some 'spice' to the conversation, it could get pretty dull just discussing things like a science project. Fate has a funny way too, for a year or so after his embarrassment at the rendezvous, BB won a brand new Corvette! It is funny how things work out sometimes.

Also have to agree with Nobodie, Walt Gassler is one of the legends permanently linked with the LDM! We will never know if he found the mine or not. I am curious as to whether Walt also asked Matthew Roberts to join him on his last trip into the Superstitions, as he also asked Tom K and Bob C, whom were casual friends while Matthew said he was quite close with him. If only someone had gone with him, we might be having a very different discussion today!

Please do continue,
Oroblanco
　

 

[nobodie]

Tex told Walter that he took the party with Brownie Holmes to the area where the body was and that he would take the opposite side, he waited for their signal, he knew that they would find the body.
On page 10 Tex told Walter that he had no use for Dick Holmes and never told Dick or Brownie anything of the clues that Dick asked about.

 

[gollum]

Dave,

Any reasoning by bb, must be viewed through the visions of a Shaman who conversed with Moctezuma. Good luck with that. I assume he found the spot with Google Earth.

Take care,

Joe

Joe,

Don't you remember him saying he was in a plane taking off from Phoenix and saw a glint of a reflection from the LDM? HAHAHA

Mike

 

[azdave35]

Joe,

Don't you remember him saying he was in a plane taking off from Phoenix and saw a glint of a reflection from the LDM? HAHAHA

Mike

mike...its been so long since he was on feldmans forum that i forgot what his theory was....i just remember him pissing everyone off...lol

 

[cactusjumper]

Joe,

Don't you remember him saying he was in a plane taking off from Phoenix and saw a glint of a reflection from the LDM? HAHAHA

Mike

Mike,

I remember his story quite well, as it was a fun story, just as he intended it to be from the start. I don't believe he was flying out of Phoenix.

Take care,

Joe

 

[azdave35]

Joe,

Don't you remember him saying he was in a plane taking off from Phoenix and saw a glint of a reflection from the LDM? HAHAHA

Mike

there are alot of BB's on this forum...they just have different names..but they all have the same crazy theories...lol

 

[Azquester]

To Someone,

I had a report by someone who told me certain comment's had been posted about my trip long ago too New Mexico. And, other comments that were made about my vast knowledge and whether or not I have worked with others in the Dutchman Community looking for the Mine. Let me just say I work alone and have spent many months in the Superstition's looking for the Lost Murder's (Dutchman's) Mine. Since I did research on the Dutchman myself through the Arizona state museum here in Tucson, talked with many associated with the story, and went out myself looking for many months, I came to the conclusion the Dutchman mine could not be found and probably wouldn't be as the Dutchman hid it and gave directions that no one could follow. If it's even true. Maybe someday by pure dumb luck someone will fall into it.

I have never posted where I think it may be located as I have no interest in even looking at this time. Which means I have no interest in going to a gathering of drunken people that do look. Not enough evidence for me to bother with it. I do however believe in the stone maps that are part of Infinity and actively search for the end results of those symbols.


Here's my reply to the Victorio Peak / Tony Jolly comments I was told about.

I only went there for a friend.

He was a friend of the Noss family from Clovis, NM. I never did any research because I needed rest and wanted to get out of the state for a while, go somewhere, anywhere, it didn't matter. I believed want my friend told me about the Noss family and it was favor for him not for me. He had a website once called Noss Legacy. It was Doc's gold bars not Tony's he only had the map of where he thought Doc had hid the rest. I believe I was told that Tony had reburied some of the bars...It's been so long I can't recall. The Map showed the caches along the fence and since it was mentioned I believe it was Doc's Cache's and not Tony's. The only reason I say that is the timeline was very early and the road was built later. So if it was Doc's Map handed down by Tony I would have to say the whole story is complete BS because the road DID NOT EXIST during his burial of the supposed Victorio Peak gold bars.

Point taken though.

If it was for myself I would have done much more research including interviewing Tony Jolly about it. Frankly, I never believed the Victorio Peak Story so I guess you can say I was more like Ryan on a debunking mission. Which I did accomplish once I talked with the rancher about the time lines. That friend of mine has since taken down his website and went into obscurity. He was a Dowser and never did much research other than Map Dowsing and talking with the family many years earlier along with Tony and being handed the map. But, I was responding to someone else. Please refrain from reply's to others comments I'm responding too it confuses many. And since I have some people on Ignore-nce (Ignorance) I cant read their posts and have to rely on someone else to tell me what they've posted. So if those people I can't see are attempting to slander me, drag me into another pissin contest, it would be wise to not tip the scale as they will be singled out for certain comments if that's their true intention.

Thanks

 

[cactusjumper]

mike...its been so long since he was on feldmans forum that i forgot what his theory was....i just remember him pissing everyone off...lol

Dave,

Actually, I believe most of his stuff was here on TNet. Considering the stuff he was posting, I thought he was treated pretty well. I hope he is in good health.

Take care,

Joe