1830s Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

[djabend]

1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

I think I narrowed down were the old stuff is consentrated in the new hay field I am hunting.
The sun was getting lower in the sky as I made my way back to the house after hunting a field and
dodging hay balers.
Nearing the spot where I found the large cent last week.
I got a good signal, bouncing from the high 70s to mid 80s.
Down 5 inches I see a disc. I plucked it from its resting place and immediately notice it is
a bit lighter then a large cent. Taking note of the faint wreath on the back, I tuck it
away and keep making my way to the house, slower this time.
After finding a flat button and some decorative copper,
I cross the fence for home.

The coin is a Bouquet Sou, a half penny token minted in the late 1830s in Canada




Here is some info:
Bouquet Sou -- probably the epitome of Canadian tokens, this series is also the most widely collected. There are about 30 major varieties that had been struck in various mints in Belleville (New Jersey), Birmingham, Montreal, and elsewhere. The legend “agriculture & commerce” was popular because it is spelled the same for both French and English, thereby offending no one. Eventually, about 1837, the tokens were so numerous (and light weight) that they were eventually refused by the Banks. These are primarily attributed according to the number of leaves on the wreath and the position of the bow tying it.

http://www.glencoin.com/presentation_to_glendale_coin_club.htm

Here are the other relics, I will spare you all the modern junk I pulled out of the other field today.



There is still some silver left on the front of the button.



I will be looking over this area tomorrow, I hope there is more.
HH,
Donny


Update:
I went out this morning and found two more buttons
One is pewter tombac and has a broken shank that was repaired, and then lost anyway

The other has SUPERIOR ORANGE * 562 * stamped on the back.


Anyone with a button book who can tell me the age of it?

 

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[treasureguy]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some relics from a hay field

nice finds wtg, tg

 

[djabend]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

Update with new pics added to bottom of main post.

HH,
Donny

 

[Roger Mn.]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

It's the first one i've seen.Looks good to.Congrats.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

That's no pewter button.  It's a Tombac button. 


And those are Great finds. 



P.S.--does that piece with the daisy motif have a lead-filled back?



-Buckleboy

 

[djabend]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

That's no pewter button. It's a Tombac button.


And those are Great finds.



P.S.--does that piece with the daisy motif have a lead-filled back?





-Buckleboy

Thanks for letting me know, these are my first old buttons and I know next to nothing about them.
I just assumed it was pewter because of the color and weight.

The daisy motif does not have a lead back. It is just a paper thin layer of copper or brass. I suppose it did have a back at one time though.
HH,
Donny

 

[BuckleBoy]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

Thanks for letting me know, these are my first old buttons and I know next to nothing about them.
I just assumed it was pewter because of the color and weight.

The daisy motif does not have a lead back. It is just a paper thin layer of copper or brass. I suppose it did have a back at one time though.
HH,
    Donny

We all learn as we go at this hobby--one of the wonderful things about it. 

Pewter buttons are usually in worse shape--they frequently look more like zinc pennies in their degraded state.  Tombacs retain a dull luster even after being underground.  The backs are the key to identifying them--shank is almost always inside a little raised mound in the center of the back, and the buttons bear marks that look like they've been turned on a lathe (concentric circular marks around them on the back).

This might have some information for you on buttons, cleaning, etc:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,165857.0.html


Reason I asked about the other item--if that brass piece is 2 inches or 2.5 inches in diameter, and lead-filled (or lead-filled at one time) it might have been a bridle rosette...  Could I see a photo of the back? 


Regards,


Buckles

 

[djabend]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

We all learn as we go at this hobby--one of the wonderful things about it.

Pewter buttons are usually in worse shape--they frequently look more like zinc pennies in their degraded state. Tombacs retain a dull luster even after being underground. The backs are the key to identifying them--shank is almost always inside a little raised mound in the center of the back, and the buttons bear marks that look like they've been turned on a lathe (concentric circular marks around them on the back).

This might have some information for you on buttons, cleaning, etc:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,165857.0.html


Reason I asked about the other item--if that brass piece is 2 inches or 2.5 inches in diameter, and lead-filled (or lead-filled at one time) it might have been a bridle rosette... Could I see a photo of the back?


Regards,


Buckles

Thanks for the info, here is the back.

It is about 1.5 inches in diameter.

Since you said lead filled, I did find another item that I never posted.
It is lead filled, and was found about 20 feet from the stuff found in this post.




HH,
Donny

 

[Mirage]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

Well the condition of the token goes with the territory. Still a cool find. 8)

Bob

 

[BuckleBoy]

Re: 1830's Canadian token and some buttons from a hay field

Thanks for the photos of the back.    I think the round thing is a rosette...  The lead-filled one would be a great candidate for the "What is it" thread.  Rosettes are usually round.  I think it's a pretty interesting piece.


Once again, some great finds there.  I love finding those old tokens even more than finding a coin.  Much rarer in terms of mintage (unfortunately not usually reflected in monetary value)...but certainly extra points in the "coolness" category.


Regards,


Buckles