1864 Civil War Token And White Metal Frog Lid?

[bookfisher]

Hi All,

Found these in the woods today. The coin is about the size of a half dime and has a Liberty Head on the obverse and 1 1864 with a wreath on the reverse. Front looks like copper, though back has some silver showing through. The other item is what I think is the top lid of a box in the shape of a frog. Any ideas?

 

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[Ole Mole]

I think that this is part of a Cast Iron Frog Bank

Here's the link to Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/FROG-ON-LATTICE...943QQihZ010QQcategoryZ885QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[dg39]

You gigged the frog fast, before he jumped back in the bayou!! Good work!!! The token is going to take a little looking for....

 

[PostFatal]

The Frog bank is as close as you can get but not a match. The frog lid is white metal and the bank is cast iron. also the eye on the lid is bigger and the skin texture is quite different. Wish I had found a bank like that tho, big big bucks.

 

[Ole Mole]

The Frog bank is as close as you can get but not a match. The frog lid is white metal and the bank is cast iron. also the eye on the lid is bigger and the skin texture is quite different. Wish I had found a bank like that tho, big big bucks.

I figured being weathered and not having a coat of paint on it, that it just might be the same. If we could have a photo of the find at a similar angle it just might help a bit.
I was thinking that the wired end of the find may have been attached to the bank itself and was the hinge.

Still an awesome find.
L8R and HH

 

[Michelle]

Awesome...I collect frogs!

 

[bookfisher]

Wow, you guys are good. That sure does look like the top to that bank. Thanks!

 

[dg39]

Pretty sure the token is civil war. cant find a match. Still searching... Probably store token as they are called...not sure

 

[PBK]

There are no Civil War store cards or patriotic tokens of half dime or smaller size. This is easily confirmed by consulting the two definitive references, U.S. Civil War Store Cards and Patriotic Civil War Store Cards, both by George & Melvin Fuld.

For an informed second opinion, you might try getting in touch with one of the nation's leading tokens specialists, Rich Hartzog of World Exonumia at www.exonumia.com His e-mail address is hartzog@exonumia.com and I feel certain that he will give you a quick and reliable reply.

Another option would be to contact the Civil War Token Society: http://www.cwtsociety.com/

This coin or token is a gilt brass imitation of a California round gold dollar. If genuine, in addition to being gold, it would have either the word DOLLAR or some abbreviation thereof, and not simply the numeral 1. A genuine coin of this type is shown below. As you can see, the design is quite similar, except for the lettering on the reverse, which is replaced by stars on the imitation piece found by Bookfisher. Source: http://kagins.com/korner2003-3-in.html#kk4-22

 

[bookfisher]

There are no Civil War store cards or patriotic tokens of half dime or smaller size. This is easily confirmed by consulting the two definitive references, U.S. Civil War Store Cards and Patriotic Civil War Store Cards, both by George & Melvin Fuld.

For an informed second opinion, you might try getting in touch with one of the nation's leading tokens specialists, Rich Hartzog of World Exonumia at www.exonumia.com His e-mail address is hartz0og@exonumia.com and I feel certain that he will give you a quick and reliable reply.

Another option would be to contact the Civil War Token Society: http://www.cwtsociety.com/

Thanks again, PBK. I will send a couple of pictures to Rich later today.

Shown below is an example of a California round gold dollar. As you can see, the design is quite similar, except for the lettering on the reverse, which is replaced by stars on the imitation piece found by Bookfisher. Source: http://kagins.com/korner2003-3-in.html#kk4-22

 

[exonumia]

Re: 1864 Civil War Token:

Sorry, this is NOT a CW Storecard/patriotic token.

This is one of the One Dollar Gold spiel markes (game counter) (and is NOT gold, but in imitation thereof), listed as either #800 or 805 in the Fauver book titled American Counters Part 4: One Dollar Gold. Spiel markes or gaming counters were often made in the form of coinage, closely imitating them, and were basically early gaming checks, used in home games and casinos. A HUGE number of varieties exist, and are cataloged in excessive detail in the Fauver books.

They catalog for $2-$8, depending on variety. In the low grade of yours, basically to a counter collector, it has only slight value. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

Rich Hartzog www.exonumia.com Exonumia: Tokens, medals, more!

 

[Angelo]

Re: 1864 Civil War Token:

Sorry, this is NOT a CW Storecard/patriotic token.

This is one of the One Dollar Gold spiel markes (game counter) (and is NOT gold, but in imitation thereof), listed as either #800 or 805 in the Fauver book titled American Counters Part 4: One Dollar Gold. Spiel markes or gaming counters were often made in the form of coinage, closely imitating them, and were basically early gaming checks, used in home games and casinos. A HUGE number of varieties exist, and are cataloged in excessive detail in the Fauver books.

They catalog for $2-$8, depending on variety. In the low grade of yours, basically to a counter collector, it has only slight value. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

Rich Hartzog www.exonumia.com Exonumia: Tokens, medals, more!

Yes! Indeeed! Very well done.

Tony