1909 VDB weird looking rim... Proof?

[Footballman77]

Hello, I tried to attach as many pictures as I can, has anyone seen a rim like this on a 1909 VDB, it looks to me like someone may have altered it because on half the rim I can see 2 very distinct, flat levels. My knowledge isn’t enough to know if this could be an altered coin or mistake from the mint. If there’s any additional pictures/angles you’d like to see please feel free to ask. Thanks for the help.

 

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[Footballman77]

 

[huntsman53]

The 1909-P "VDB" Lincoln Cent appears to have been struck with Nickel Collar in place instead of a Cent Collar which resulted in some of the Details, Lettering and Date being further from the rim and the overall thickness of the edge rim being so thick. The coin was also struck slightly out of the Collar which resulted in the Double (Railroad) Rim somewhat adjacent to the Date. it is a good candidate for an assessment from Mike Diamond (former President of Coneca and Error Coin Expert) at MDia1@ aol.com.

 

[Footballman77]

Thank you, I really appreciate the info and contact huntsman, I’ll definitely throw him a message and report back here what I find. Thanks again

 

[Professor of Engineering]

Interesting coin, thanks for sharing!

 

[Footballman77]

My pleasure sharing it, it’s great the wealth of knowledge on this forum

 

[port ewen ace]

The 1909-P "VDB" Lincoln Cent appears to have been struck with Nickel Collar in place instead of a Cent Collar which resulted in the Details, Lettering and Date being further from the rim and the overall thickness of the edge rim being so thick. The coin was also struck slightly out of the Collar which resulted in the Double (Railroad) Rim somewhat adjacent to the Date. it is a good candidate for an assessment from Mike Diamond (former President of Coneca and Error Coin Expert) at MDia1@ aol.com.

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[jerseyben]

Honestly, looks like PMD. Possibly a roller coin. Might have spent time in a dryer.

 

[huntsman53]

LORDY, Huntsman------- it's been a "hawile"-- always wit da good "vice"

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[huntsman53]

Footballman... Can you get the weight and diameter of the coin and post it here? It is quite possible that the coin was struck on a thicker than normal coin planchet and if so, then it will be quite a bit heavier than the normal 3.11 grams that a 1909 Lincoln Cent should weigh.

 

[Footballman77]

I just realized I don’t have a scale that accurate, only a kitchen one that goes down to .1 decimal. I just ordered a jewelry scale and coin caliper, but this is the best I can do with what I’ve got. I weighed the 2nd coin just to show it’s close, but the 1909 is teetering 3.1-3.2 and others are 3.1-3.0. I know it’s not that scientific, sorry for the rudimentary tools, but I will be modernized soon [emoji12]
The first picture is it on top of a 1924 Lincoln, the 1909 is exactly the same size if not slightly larger. I’ll get more accurate info as soon as possible. Thanks again for putting time into my mystery [emoji120]🤙

 

[Footballman77]

I hope that’s not the case Jerseyben but I definitely appreciate the input. I have been looking at a lot of dryer coins and they seam to have a more rounded edge and a different patina on the side then face, where this on is pretty consistent.

 

[Footballman77]

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Thanks guys for joining me on my treasure hunt...

 

[huntsman53]

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Thanks guys for joining me on my treasure hunt... View attachment 1534976

Bummer Footballman! I have heard of Finning but am not familiar with these type of Die Strikes. The .1 +/- gram of extra weight of a coin that has some wear, points to the planchet being a little thicker than normal, which helped form the oversized edge rims due to the extra pressure exerted on the metal when the coin was being struck. Sorry for the misdiagnosis but I am still in learning mode, even at 64 years of age!

 

[Footballman77]

Don’t be sorry at all, you put me on the path to ultimately get the right information, rather then just speculating and daydreaming. Thanks again for helping me learn something new in this hobby!