2 objects, 4 pictures id help.

[The Swed Hunther]

Hey all,

Has anyone an idea what the circle thing is (pic 1 and 2)?

And the ball, isn't that to big for be from an riffle?

Txh for your taking your time.

Happy Hunting//Tsh

 

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[Dano Sverige]

1st could be a cloak clasp. 2nd could be a large hunting type of mini ball, not really my speciality.Is it lead?
Nice finds. (Didn't find those on the beach did you? )

 

[The Swed Hunther]

1st could be a cloak clasp. 2nd could be a large hunting type of mini ball, not really my speciality.Is it lead?
Nice finds. (Didn't find those on the beach did you? )

Hi Dano!
Thx for checking in, cloak clasp, is that not an old fashion of clothes? What Do u think about age?

The ball is not magnetic, my guess was a piece of an grapeshot, but we don't have any records of fight/military activity in that area.
No, i did not find this on the beach

I post a pic, you can See the blue circle, I'm in the middle, so the site is huge!

 

[Silver Searcher]

1st could be a cloak clasp. 2nd could be a large hunting type of mini ball, not really my speciality.Is it lead?
Nice finds. (Didn't find those on the beach did you? )

Yep clasp or buckle slide

SS

 

[DirtDigler]

Looks like a slide-on object. The small holes on one side lead me to think something was sewn onto that side. Very curious. The ball looks like canister shot to me. Nice find, should be more there.

 

[The Swed Hunther]

Looks like a slide-on object. The small holes on one side lead me to think something was sewn onto that side. Very curious. The ball looks like canister shot to me. Nice find, should be more there.

I'm curious to know what it is
A canister shot seam the to be a logic thought, we are not done with that area we going back tomorrow and this time i will bring my camera with me
The age of the slide-on thing/cloak thing, possibility late 1800?

HH//Tsh

 

[The Swed Hunther]

Looks like a slide-on object. The small holes on one side lead me to think something was sewn onto that side. Very curious. The ball looks like canister shot to me. Nice find, should be more there.

I did realize now, the i have not find any hole in the bullet, it should be a hole if it was a canister shot?

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

The Swed Hunter wrote:
> I did realize now, the i have not find any hole in the bullet, it should be a hole if it was a canister shot?

Even where you are - in Sweden - canister-shot balls (artillery antipersonnel projectiles) did not have a hole in the balls.

The problem about correctly identifying a metal ball is that there are literally miliions-&-millions of civilian-manufactured (not military) metal balls which were not manufactured to be a projectile. Some examples of the "non-firearms" types of metal balls are:
ball bearings
ore/rock/gravel-crusher balls (from the Mining & Stonemilling industry)
"ornamental" balls (such as a gatepost-top)
Sports Shot Put balls
"tumbler" balls (used for polishing or cleaning - for example, iron balls are used to clean dried cement out of the inside of a cement-delivery truck's tank)

Often, the balls listed above will look a lot like a cannon ball, a Grapeshot-ball, or a Canister-ball ...but in actuality they are almost always one of the Civilian-use types of balls. (More than half of the Solid-Shot (solid metal, not hollow, no fuze) "cannon balls" shown for sale on Ebay are a Civilian type of ball, mis-identified as being a cannon ball.

In the photo your ball appears to have iron-rust all over it. But you say it is non-magnetic ...which means it isn't iron. And it obviously is not lead. Could you clean the crust off of it in at least a small area, and tell us what kind of metal the ball seems to be? If it isn't iron or lead, it is not a cannon projectile.

 

[Dano Sverige]

Your site is obviously not prime farm land (why is our hobby so full of bloody hills? lol) so i'm inclined to think it was a passer by who dropped/lost it. Looks older than 1800's to me, could even possibly be viking era, or from Arn Magnussons Folkung clan mantle..yes i've read the books lol.
It's out of my area and the only real way to know about a clasp like that is from experts. Tell them you found it field walking somewhere else

I'd mail it to Silver Searcher, he's honest-ish, and can put it on the UK detector finds database...at least it'd get an expert opinion of what it is/could be.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

About the clasp:
The design on its front and back appears to be identical. So the clasp would seem to be "stamped" brass/copper sheetmetal ...not made as a "cast" metal object. Also, the brass/copper wire appears to be attached to the back with solder ...not "brazed." It don't think soldering like that goes back to Viking times. If I'm incorrect that soldering (not brazing) doesn't go that far back in history, somebody please correct me. The soldered-on attachment-wire and the object being identical double-sided stamped sheetbrass/copper makes me think it is from the 1600s at the earliest ...and may be much later.

 

[Dano Sverige]

Said i wasn't an expert, but i am an optimist!

 

[The Swed Hunther]

About the clasp:
The design on its front and back appears to be identical. So the clasp would seem to be "stamped" brass/copper sheetmetal ...not made as a "cast" metal object. Also, the brass/copper wire appears to be attached to the back with solder ...not "brazed." It don't think soldering like that goes back to Viking times. If I'm incorrect that soldering (not brazing) doesn't go that far back in history, somebody please correct me. The soldered-on attachment-wire and the object being identical double-sided stamped sheetbrass/copper makes me think it is from the 1600s at the earliest ...and may be much later.

Wow, thx for the info, it's not often i found things like this I've manged to get some crust of in an area, and i did take a magnet again, believe it or not but it is magnetic so = iron. I did not know that crust/dirt on an iron object can interfere?
About the clasp, i did gently take a needle on the back and rubbed it a little bit, it looks shiny, i did get the feeling of gold But gold does not go so green as this target i can think, and the brass possibility is way more bigger than gold.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Said i wasn't an expert, but i am an optimist!

I don't think it's later the 18c, and most probably a decorative cover (slide) for a shoe buckle, but nice try Dano

SS

 

[The Swed Hunther]

Your site is obviously not prime farm land (why is our hobby so full of bloody hills? lol) so i'm inclined to think it was a passer by who dropped/lost it. Looks older than 1800's to me, could even possibly be viking era, or from Arn Magnussons Folkung clan mantle..yes i've read the books lol.
It's out of my area and the only real way to know about a clasp like that is from experts. Tell them you found it field walking somewhere else

I'd mail it to Silver Searcher, he's honest-ish, and can put it on the UK detector finds database...at least it'd get an expert opinion of what it is/could be.

Dano we can hope that its that old!
But i would be more than glad, if you could check with your friend!
Hehe, yeah, i just point at Stockholm and say i found it when i did get on the buss! Haha..
I will load up my camera and film to site tomorrow, hope fore more old finds! Thx Dano!
P.s Optimist is a good thing in this hobby, and gotta love those hills..

 

[Dano Sverige]

Hmm you're obviously not feeling your age yet mate! lol.

Listen to SS and the others, they're way more knowledgable than me.