8 sided ink help needed

[ynpto804]

I pick this 8 sided ink up today from a lady with some civil war relics. I can not find this color and it seems not to have any wear marks on it. So it's got me wondering I believe it's a iron pontil bottle. Anyone ever seen this color before?

 

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[surf]

Hello ynpto,

I'm seeing a pronounced color variation under what I'm assuming are 2 or 3 sources of artificial light. Please use natural light.

I've not seen either of those colors of yellow on an umbrella. It's not pontiled. The finish looks all wrong. I'm hoping you did not pay very much, and that you might be able to return this.

All my Red Flags are up.

 

[ynpto804]

Surf, It was cheaper than a lottery ticket. So I took a gamble. I will try to get some natural light pictures. Thanks for the help.

 

[ynpto804]

A few more

 

[surf]

Hey ynpto,

Thanks for the additional photos. It looks like uranium glass from out here in the cheap seats. Do you have a black light?

Though the umbrella is an older form, this does not appear to have much age to it. I don't see any wear. Is the lip bevelled?

I'm wondering if this might be a Clevenger Bros. piece...

 

[Harry Pristis]

I agree . . . uranium glass. Many ink collectors would not be interested in this twentieth century repro/fantasy(?), but some might be attracted by the novelty. I couldn't find any mention of uranium glass in Covill's book.

 

[unclemac]

...I love the color though!

 

[gleaner1]

ynpto, is the actual color "to the eye" light yellow like in the first set of pics? Or is it chartreuse (greenish) like the second set of pics? It's tough to get the right colors and tectures with digital pics especially with glass, especially with the citrons and yellows and greens. The green grass is affecting the color of it in the second set of pics. Try to take a non flash pics of it close up in natural daylight with overcast sky (not direct sunlight) with the piece sitting on some clean bright white printer paper. Shoot the pics looking straight down thru the piece perpendicular to the paper, the background of the shots should be all white. If you have white balance on your camera, set that up for natural daylight. The long neck seems unusual. As surf says, it looks like it has no base wear, A lot of good pieces found in walls and attics have little or no base wear. I cant decide if it's a repro because I cant determine what the actual true color is.

 

[sunrunner]

man,it looks like some one had time on ther hands and blowen a personel pice.it dos not look to old to me.

 

[gleaner1]

man,it looks like some one had time on ther hands and blowen a personel pice.it dos not look to old to me.

It was blown in a mold, so now the question is, did somebody go thru the awful expense of making an iron mold to blow a personal piece? If the true color to the eye is like the first set of pics then I see no reason to believe its a repro. You cannot tell how old glass is from looking at it. Some pieces found in walls and attics are found essentially perfect, with no wear or scratches.

 

[ynpto804]

It was blown in a mold, so now the question is, did somebody go thru the awful expense of making an iron mold to blow a personal piece? If the true color to the eye is like the first set of pics then I see no reason to believe its a repro. You cannot tell how old glass is from looking at it. Some pieces found in walls and attics are found essentially perfect, with no wear or scratches.

The second pictures are taken out doors in bright sunlight. The first are taken in my house in under normal lighting conditions indoors. I cleaned the bottle and will try to update the pictures tomorrow to see if that helps.

 

[ynpto804]

Again taken out doors in full sun light. These the ink has been cleaned.

 

[gleaner1]

That is a nice ink even if it is reproduction. In form it looks like a period piece but the color is outrageous. I concede, it's too good to be true. Maybe you can have Hecklers look at it just to be sure. Norman C. Heckler & Company

 

[Harry Pristis]

Uranium glass became popular in the mid-19th century, with its period of greatest popularity being from the 1880s to the 1920s. --wikipedia

There are a number of books available about "Vaseline glass/uranium glass" . . . perhaps one of them features this umbrella ink with some provenance.

The thing is, uranium glass was not typically used for utility bottles like ink wells. It was used for decorative glassware. So, when I suggest that this ink may be a repro/fantasy bottle, that is not a judgment that it is not from the 1880-1920 timeframe. It could have been a gaffer's whimsy back when both the uranium (glass) metal and the mold were readily at hand.

It could also be from the post-1956 timeframe, blown in an old mold. It may be of French or other origin (the lip finish doesn't resemble typical USA umbrella ink finishes). But, I just don't know.

 

[ynpto804]

There are a number of books available about "Vaseline glass/uranium glass" . . . perhaps one of them features this umbrella ink with some provenance.

The thing is, uranium glass was not typically used for utility bottles like ink wells. It was used for decorative glassware. So, when I suggest that this ink may be a repro/fantasy bottle, that is not a judgment that it is not from the 1880-1920 timeframe. It could have been a gaffer's whimsy back when both the uranium (glass) metal and the mold were readily at hand.

It could also be from the post-1956 timeframe, blown in an old mold. It may be of French or other origin (the lip finish doesn't resemble typical USA umbrella ink finishes). But, I just don't know.

Well dang, this is just what I was asking about. Thanks for the information. Sorry to offend.

 

[Harry Pristis]

Well dang, this is just what I was asking about. Thanks for the information. Sorry to offend.

Ya' did good! Thanks for bringing this interesting little bottle to our attention. Let us know if you find any more information about the bottle.