a amber jar with no mold seams??????

[chong2]

does anyone have info on this this jar came from a lot i dug the other day, i have maybe 2 others like it from the same lot, the lot contained apocarth and chem bottles from around late 1800's from a old mining town. there are no seams period on this guy. no makers marks, very very few bubbles. there is however a 500 embossed on the base pretty large. where the embossing is it has the indentation of a square about 1/4 of a in in the base, my guess is grams, i dont think cc would be on a jar. i hope the picks will help.

 

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[chong2]

i think i found out it came from a turn mold, the are swirls as if it were twisted in a mold, no there are no rings on bottom, i also found i have one with 600. same thing, but i am positive it is not owens.

 

[chong2]

this came from another jar identical to this one that broke and a tad bit darker, the stopper is massive and hollow. again same markings and no seams

 

[chong2]

im still learning here but if were owens, wouldnt there be some kind of mold seam? i am all ears....

 

[chong2]

hmmmmm, mot to be a pain in the butt here, but, there are no suction marks, i am pretty familiar with the owens suction, i even have some corkers that have the side seam ending half way up the neck i got awhile back with the owens ring. this will just be one of those unexplained mysteries i did not know that some owens do not have side seams thanks for the info. thanks for the links too.

 

[Functional]

http://www.antiquebottles.com/glossary.html
"A.B.Co - American Bottle Co 1905..1916 in Chicago, IL was later bought out by Owens."
"Hand Finished - Bottle and lip blown in mold, then hand-finished. Dated 1890-1911"

I was trying to compare the color of your bottle to the colors mentioned here:
http://www.antiquebottles.com/color/
It's easier to search if you know the color and I would guess that your bottle is what they call: yellow amber green?

The style of bottle looks like the smaller of the three in the picture on eBay here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-3-Amber-...937QQihZ014QQcategoryZ895QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(Note that the small bottle is embossed and has a seam.)

Your bottle also looks abit like two of the ones pictured on this page, but the color is different:
http://cgi.ebay.com/9-Amber-Medicin...753QQihZ009QQcategoryZ895QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If it was me, I think I'd just hang onto it and when I had lots of bottles collected, I'd get some books on the subject, or see if a pro could identify them. Seems to be an awful lot of different styles of bottles out there to choose from.

Good luck!

F.

 

[chong2]

thanks for the research! i would guess almost golden yellow, i pulled out the jar that says 600, its a tad darker with more staining, same features, no mold seam. i took another pic of the jar on the base and hope it shows more detail. again, i am almost positive that this thing has no owens mark. i have been collecting for almost a year now and have quite a few varities of bottles. the owens suction marks are usually noticeable. also i have reason to believe that where this one came from, none dated later than 1900, possibly 1913. im still working on that tho, which reduces the possibility that it is not owens. not zeroed out totally. this one came out of a mining town that had alot of crucibles right by. maybe this helps.

 

[Functional]

I really shouldn't have posted my reply earlier as it was near 5 AM and I hadn't been to sleep yet. When I started that post I had something in mind, but by the time I finished it, *POOF*, it was gone. It wasn't until I was already in bed that I remembered what it was I was going to say.
First, a reference to "turn mold bottle produced in the mid 1850s" on the page link below seems similar to your bottles.
http://www.blm.gov/historic_bottles/References.htm

But, considering your bottles are likely from England, or somewhere else in Europe that uses the metric system, (Canada didn't use the metric system back then, but someone from England might have produced the bottles here using the metric system). The 500, or 600 on the bottom of the bottles should refer to the volume in milliliter's. For definitions of milliliter see:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=define:milliliter&btnG=Search&meta=

This page looks interesting and there seems to be bottles with similar bottoms on it.
http://www.blm.gov/historic_bottles/bases.htm
The "turn-mold bottles (also called "paste mold")" looks like it might have been the type to make those bottles of yours. If so, then you would have rare ones because they seldom had embossing on the base.

I would guess that your bottles are either produced by the method above, or by the "snap case and sabot", (I would guess this is how they were made), method also explained on that webpage, (I'm not sure how rare embossing is on the bottles produced using the snap case method). Either way, I would think they both have monetary value. Try searching the bottles section on eBay using the terms: and

I checked eBay for "snap case" in the bottles section.
http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/...action=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search
Then I checked for "turn mold":
http://collectibles.search-desc.eba...atitleZQ22turnQ20moldQ22QQsubmitsearchZSearch
And "paste mold" didn't turn up anything.

Another interesting site, with bottle dating info and a small but good links page, (once you highlight everything so it can be read):
http://www.knology.net/~fullcircle/DigGide.html

Google images is another place to look once you have an idea what your looking for and what search terms to use.

Good luck!

F.