A knife, or a projectile? And is that a small flute?

[chong2]

anyone have any info on this one?

 

[chong2]

THE CLOSEST I COULD COME UP WITH IS HANNA .

 

[Tnmountains]

Looks kinda curved in the picture .I could be wrong but the flute was made from basil thinning? It is a flute though intentional or not. I would say knife and a nice one at that. See what the experts say.
TnMountains

 

[*Molly*]

I would have to agree with my friend on this one. After you told me it was found in SW New Mexico, the first thing I also thought was, it as an Humbolt look about it. Hanna was on my list but, Bajada related would be more acurate.

Hope this helps.

Molly..

 

[chong2]

Yes it is curved, and im sure the flute is from thinning.
Thanks for the research, the only thing that throws me off is the stems on the Bajada seem so much longer, and the Hanna is short and stubby.
Thanks TN, and special thanks to Molly

 

[chong2]

Molly, i think you are right, i was reading in "Stone Age Spear and Arrow Points of the Southwestern Unithed States" about the Bajada group and came across this, so i will have to agree with you.
Thanks again

 

[PALEOMAN]

i believe it has been stated that the long -haft elements of bahada should EXCLUDE bahada from archaic forms! duncan,hanna and mckean are middle archaic dart point forms;being found in the same context.i have worked on such a site;-dipper gap,colorado. i feel this point type would fall in the mckean context. middle-archaic

 

[chong2]

Paleo, your opinion is a Mckean type, now that name reefers to points found in the Colorado reigon. Would it be called the same for New Mexico region?
What i dont get sometimes they are called the same, like southwest the Zepher, is a Zepher, and called the same in some eastern states. Folsom is called the same all over the united states. ugh, i just lost myself..........

 

[Neanderthal]

Duncan, Hanna, McKean are all late archaic forms, of the McKean complex (even though I dispute it, don't forget Mallory). I'm very familiar with the McKean, and have played on many McKean sites. That doesn't appear to be McKean to me, but anything is possible. That piece has a distinct shouldered hafting area if you look closely at the image. If part of the McKean Complex, that would leave you with Duncan or Hanna. Hanna have VERY distinct lobes, resembling Jakie or Rice at times. Duncan have a longer hafting area, bifurcated base and are commonly confused with Johnson, Dalton or even Scottsbluff at times. In fact, there's one authenticator out there (won't mention names) who papers Duncans as Scottsbluff every single time..LOL. They are usually very well worked and have good basal grinding.

Bajada come in many forms, long and shorter stem, though the longer is more common. They are part of the Jay phase, and most likely have a relationship with the long stemmed Rio Grande and Escobas points. Some Bajadas I've seen can lack well-defined shoulders, have a shorter hafting area and can resemble Humboldt on occasion. They date in the Middle Archaic.

 

[chong2]

Thanks Neanderthal, very informative, yes no doubt Archaic. Saying anything possible i came across a discription that reminded me of this point, and how it may have got that small flute on the one side, now they are not normally found in this area but further NW in Washington and Oregon . Cecilo Falls 2
Sorry i have limited resources on research right now, but its listed in Overstreet ID Guide, Far West.
How about that?

 

[lostcauses]

Look under Jay if you can find it, though today they usually throw that under Bajada. Usually a really thick base.

 

[paulcarey]

Looks like a point I found. Archaeologist said it was a bajada dart point, circa 4,000 b.c. You have a great find.

 

[Neanderthal]

Holy thread-resurrection!

 

[natchitoches]

lol new guy

 

[chong2]

Thanks PaulCarey

Holy thread-resurrection!

lol

lol new guy

lol

 

[Chimacum87]

Did you ever find anything at the ghost town that was not on any modern maps chong