A Marker???

[DAS7NY]

I'm new to this whole thing. Last June I bought a Whites Prizim something. I used it about 3-4 time last year and got tons of false reading but never thought anything of it. Well today my Dad and I went to check out an old legend. Supposedly in a certain set of woods a bunch of revolutionary soldiers hid in a natural hole from british troops. This is just a legend but I thought this would be a cool place so we decided to check it out. The second we got into the woods I was getting tons of false readings so I decided I'd take it down to the local metal detecting store sometime this week. We then just decided we would focus on finding the trail this hole was off of and to find the hole. Well while walking we found a trail. While on the trail we found where we think the hole was. (There's just 2 possible locations and they are pretty close to each other) We decided to survey the site as it is pretty large. We hiked to the top of a hill and found a pallet next to a tree. There was also a piece of cement in the ground. At first it looked like a foundation so I got mad excited! Then I realized it was just a pole. I decided to dig because my Dad suggested it may be a marker. The both of us started to dig but the pole kept going. We dug around it and finally about 2 - 3 feet down we pulled the cement pole out. We thought at first maybe there was something under it but there wasn't. We dug another 4-6 inches and then one of our shovels broke. The both of us agree it is most likely a marker for something. Because why would anyone bring a heavy and long cement pole so deep into the woods? Also why would anyone bury it in so far and make it so long? Maybe they wanted it to stay there because they left something near by and would use that to help them recover it. We are going to go back next weekend and look for A. Any other markers, B. To metal detect the hole where the soldiers should've hid (If the legend is true) C. To keep digging in that spot to see if we find anything. I hope to find out what I am doing wrong or what is wrong w/ my metal detector. What are your opinions of this cement in the middle of some deep woods? <a href="http://s729.photobucket.com/albums/ww294/DAS7NY/?action=view&current=DSCF0971.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww294/DAS7NY/DSCF0971.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

 

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[Jeep]

Well, I saw the pictures and that is not from a manmade dwelling. If it did not taper off I would think it was a old doorway threshold. The tapering is the key.

That is a marker, be it historical, elevation, boundary or otherwise, it is a marker.

You can google markers all day long and you will see the same shape notwithstanding of markings.

I would place it back in its original hole and take a trip to the library.

Learn your detector and let it make the determination to dig.

Welcome to the hobby and respect the environment.

 

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[DD-777]

Growing up on Long Island, I can tell you that the land is definitely owned by someone. That is also an old property marker. I've come across many of them in my "woods walks". I know it's hard to not be excited and think of all the crazy possibilities, but it is most certainly a property marker. If you don't mind my asking, what part of Suffolk county - north shore or south shore?

 

[cillosis]

The shape of the stone is referred to as an obelisk. Some gravestones are made obelisk shaped as you can see below. Regardless of what kind of marker it is, just keep in mind it may have been created as a resting place for somebody and that's not a good thing to go digging up.

 

[DAS7NY]

Growing up on Long Island, I can tell you that the land is definitely owned by someone. That is also an old property marker. I've come across many of them in my "woods walks". I know it's hard to not be excited and think of all the crazy possibilities, but it is most certainly a property marker. If you don't mind my asking, what part of Suffolk county - north shore or south shore?

I'm searching right in the middle of the two shores. So are you saying like an old old property marker? It says nothing on it though? You've seen these before? Look at your index finger. Keep in mind it was only sticking out that much.

 

[FURTRADER]

Growing up on Long Island, I can tell you that the land is definitely owned by someone. That is also an old property marker. I've come across many of them in my "woods walks". I know it's hard to not be excited and think of all the crazy possibilities, but it is most certainly a property marker. If you don't mind my asking, what part of Suffolk county - north shore or south shore?

I'm searching right in the middle of the two shores. So are you saying like an old old property marker? It says nothing on it though? You've seen these before? Look at your index finger. Keep in mind it was only sticking out that much.

 

[FURTRADER]

What you found is a geological marker.They should not be removed.

 

[Newt]

"Said area is unowned"
Not likely! Every bit of land in the country is owned by someone or some level of government.

County Owned. Same thing...

You have some learning to do. Hopefully it won't be in the county jail.
Newt

 

[DAS7NY]

What you found is a geological marker.They should not be removed.

But there were none near it and it was so worn? I agree with the old property marker but I don't quite get the geological marker. I didn't take it I just dug it up so it is sitting right next to the hole.

 

[DAS7NY]

"Said area is unowned"
Not likely! Every bit of land in the country is owned by someone or some level of government.

County Owned. Same thing...

You have some learning to do. Hopefully it won't be in the county jail.
Newt

Really it's not private property. I didn't harm anything or do anything wrong. So the county owns it but did anything happen? No.

 

[Newt]

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not getting on to you. County, city and state property is riskier than private.
Newt

 

[DD-777]

Growing up on Long Island, I can tell you that the land is definitely owned by someone. That is also an old property marker. I've come across many of them in my "woods walks". I know it's hard to not be excited and think of all the crazy possibilities, but it is most certainly a property marker. If you don't mind my asking, what part of Suffolk county - north shore or south shore?

I'm searching right in the middle of the two shores. So are you saying like an old old property marker? It says nothing on it though? You've seen these before? Look at your index finger. Keep in mind it was only sticking out that much.

As far as how far in the ground it was, think of this - I once dug a New Hampshire state quarter from 7 inches (seriously). Since then, I've never questioned how or why something is deep or shallow - the 1891 Seated Liberty quarter I dug was only 4 inches and mixed in with other "junque". Something as heavy as that marker would certainly "settle" with time - just go visit a 200 year-old gravesite and you'll see what I mean.

I have definitely come across these before. And, like earlier stated by other members, they usually are found in the middle of nowhere (remember, NOwhere used to be SOMEwhere back in the day). Most everyone here has brought up valid points - not to offend you, but to help you out. Research is by far the MOST IMPORTANT tool you will have in your "arsenal". Not only will it help you get a fix on good locations to hunt, it will also keep you from getting locked up. No matter who owns the land, check your local laws and seek permission whenever possible.

One more thing - think about what "cillosis" said - it could possibly be a marker for a grave as well - if so (you can find out via research most of the time), it should not be disturbed under ANY circumstances.

There are many fantastic places to hunt on Long Island - north OR south shore. Good Luck...

 

[Mental Granny]

That is a marker no matter how old it looks (they marked property 200 years ago) and if you did not get permission from the county (if its their property) go get permission! You could make one person with attitude mad and they can get you ie; no permission on county land, take your detectors, big fines, ect. Please go do research and get permission I like the idea of the place you want to find and cant wait to see your finds and hear more about it! Just get permission.

 

[drodda777]

I'm new here and this is my first post, however I can definately state that that is a property marker. Probably an old section corner or USGS marker for either location or elevation. I have been a surveyor for an engineering company for over 20 years now. The reason they taper them is so they do not heave in the frost or with ground movement. We dig these holes all the time and pour them in places you would not believe. The only treasure this is marking is the land you are standing on. They are buried so deep and with very litttle exposed to keep someone from coming by and digging it up. They are usually placed in high areas so they can be seen from a distance with a survey instrument.

And yes this is not looked on lightly by local authorities who count on these to reference property corners or USGS coordinates. We place metal in these to make them sing with our metal detectors that we search for property corners with. These are not like the type you treasure hunters use, They are similar to your probes except they will locate a signal 3 to 4 feet deep if needed. They use things as simple as a large rock with an "X" cut in them to mark these corners. And sometimes they poured them in the ground like the one you show.

Do not replace the monument as it can't be placed exactly without the use of survey equipment. Nothing worse than doing a survey to build a bridge in the middle of nowhere and reference a marker that has been disturbed but not enough to be obvious. So it is better to leave it close to the hole but not back in the ground.

Just my two cents,

 

[allen]

good luck on your quest...

 

[lostcauses]

Hmm a lot going on with this one. I will have to agree with a marker. Most likely a survey post of some sort. The pallet in the back ground of the photo says activity in the area that is modern also.

The one thing I have not seen in this post is the advice to learn the laws were you are at. If it county, state or federal land, laws exist for the protection of their land, and their property on said land.

Ignoring such can cause a lot of problems, mostly for you the hunter.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, yet such is the cause of public officials looking down on the hunter as a whole group, and the reason laws have been made concerning the subject.

Folks see stuff just laying around and for some reason think they have a right to take it, or due to it is public; believe they have a right to dig on it.

Good suggestions have been given to what you found and what it is. Please be a bit more careful, and please learn and then have fun hunting.

 

[DD-777]

Hmm a lot going on with this one. I will have to agree with a marker. Most likely a survey post of some sort. The pallet in the back ground of the photo says activity in the area that is modern also.

The one thing I have not seen in this post is the advice to learn the laws were you are at. If it county, state or federal land, laws exist for the protection of their land, and their property on said land.

Ignoring such can cause a lot of problems, mostly for you the hunter.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, yet such is the cause of public officials looking down on the hunter as a whole group, and the reason laws have been made concerning the subject.

Folks see stuff just laying around and for some reason think they have a right to take it, or due to it is public; believe they have a right to dig on it.

Good suggestions have been given to what you found and what it is. Please be a bit more careful, and please learn and then have fun hunting.

"No matter who owns the land, check your local laws and seek permission whenever possible. "

Please see reply #31. 8)

 

[Kiros32]

Not sure how else to say it man...

You have been told by experienced members of this site that it is a marker and that you need to put it back. Not sure why you seem to be arguing with everyone. It is obviously not treasure and has no value, neither monetary nor aesthetic. Take the advice or those that have been in the game many more moons than you have...and just put the thing back.

 

[DAS7NY]

Now w/ thirty something people I now believe it is a marker. Like I said before I never took it. I left it there because it was so damn heavy. But through some research I found that about 300 years ago in these woods there was supposedly a house. You didn't have to tell me to research That's how I found the revolutionary legend. I also looked up what they use for survey markers here (I'm not arguing!) and they use pieces of woods w/ a little orange flag attached.

 

[davidtn]

Current day markers may have little orange flags on them, but I don't believe they used them 200 years ago.

 

[DAS7NY]

Current day markers may have little orange flags on them, but I don't believe they used them 200 years ago.

So are you saying this is a geological marker from 200 years ago?