we all have our likes and dislikes vision,,, no probs,, i know the explorer ll is a good machine, ive used one,, but i'll take my x terra 50 anyday,,,. people do get attached to a certain machine,, and when they hear others saying anything negative about it,, they dont like it,, dosent bother me,,, we all own and use different machines,, we are different,, but anyone reading this thread and my previous can understand my point,, about over spending and what you get for the extra 500 or more,, not much really,,,.but when you look at what the serious finds where made with it certainly turns the cards,,, then we can dicuss luck again, it dosent matter what we say or how we say it luck and skill always comes into the equasion,, back to square one,

forums are the worst place to start debating what is the best what does this and what does that whos is good whos aint,,,, i say just get on with it use what you use, i do and iam fine,, infact from now on iam just gonna post my finds when i start back again and just have fun watching the whole show lol

,. because i gotta say i sit hear absolutely laughing my a*s off,, a person asks for advice on a detector,, so on come the tecks and go to lenghthy extremes explaining,, then midway the thread holder changes what he wants,, and yet more extreme tecks,,, only to see this guy is extracting the urine lol,,,