Abandoned Trails in Silver Country

Jim Hemmingway

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ABANDONED TRAILS IN SILVER COUNTRY

Introductionā€¦

Silver country represents a small part of a vast, heavily forested wilderness perched on the sprawling Precambrian Shield here in northeastern Ontario. Away from the small towns and villages, and widely scattered farms and rural homesteads, there exists a largely uninterrupted way of life in the more remote areas. There are uncounted miles of lonely country backroads, overgrown tracks leading to abandoned mining camps, innumerable rough timber lanes, and a virtually infinite tangle of winding trails that reach deeply into the distant forests.

Nothing in my experience has been so completely companionable as the soft forest whisperings and the beckoning solitude that reigns over this ruggedly beautiful country. This is where my carefree days of autumn prospecting have been agreeably spent for many years. We returned again this year to unbounded, satisfying autumn days of kicking rocks, exploring and detector-prospecting adventures, followed by evenings spent evaluating silver ores and hot coffee over blazing campfires.

Irrespective of silver recoveries, the flaming autumn colors of the boreal forest are the real treasure of the season. They persist for only a few short weeks, reluctantly yielding to the autumnal yellows of the tamarack, birch, and aspen in sharp contrast to the deep conifer greens. Scenery as depicted below accentuates your enthusiasm to get into the field, and pretty much ensures that an autumn prospecting trip to silver country is a memorable experience.

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General Discussionā€¦

Unprecedented, persistently wet conditions eliminated any potential for a banner season, but nonetheless we did manage to find considerable worthwhile silver. In addition to an assortment of rich silver and associated minerals, my friend Sheldon Ward recovered a large, very high conductive native silver ore that weā€™ll take a closer look at shortly. Most of my quality silver finds were fairly smallā€¦ although a specimen grade silver ore at five pounds was found during the final week of the trip, and frankly I felt very fortunate to get it. Larger material was recovered, for example a 24-pound highgrade silver ore from the same areaā€¦ but these invariably were mixed ores dominated by cobalt and various arsenides, most notably niccolite as illustrated below.

2.6 LB NICCOLITE SILVER SFLOGDEEE14.JPG

On a more positive note, we both found plentiful small silver generally ranging between one-half and ten ounces that added real weight to the orebag over the seasonā€™s duration. It is much easier to find small but rich, high character silver than is the case with larger material. Even so, specimen grade detectable silver in any size range is becoming increasingly difficult to find at many of the obvious, readily accessible sites nowadays.

The photo below is a pretty fair representation of the overall quality, although anything below a half-oz was excluded from this shotā€¦ such are not terribly photogenic beside larger samples. Some rich ā€˜nuggetyā€™ ores were HCl acid-bathed to free the silver from carbonate rock, and all samples were subjected to a rotary tool circular wire brush to remove surface residues, followed by a dish detergent wash and rinse.

SMALL SILVER IN GOLDPAN SSWETYY14.JPG

By way of a brief background explanation to readers unfamiliar with this prospecting application, we search for more valuable coin-size and larger pieces of silver. Natural native silver target ID is determined by physical and chemical factors such as silver purity, types of mineral inclusions, structure (for exampleā€¦ dendritic, plate, disseminated, massive), size, shape, and the profile presented to the coil. Virtually all natural silver from this area will target ID from low foil up to a maximum of silver dime range. Only infrequently over the years have we found isolated, rare examples of our naturally occurring silver exceeding that range.

The specimen depicted below is a commonplace example of silver typically recovered here. It isn't terribly large or particularly handsomeā€¦ but it is mostly comprised of native silver by weight. Its target ID is a bit elevated from the usual, but consider that even small changes to some of the more influential factors listed above can significantly alter target ID. I tend to pay minimal attention to it when evaluating samples.

It was detected adjacent to an abandoned mining track that leads directly to a former mill site at the mining camp scene depicted above. No treatment required other than a leather glove rubdown followed by a soapy wash and rinseā€¦ in fact it looked quite presentable fresh out of the dirt. The darker material you see is heavily tarnished native silver that I intend to leave undisturbed.

1.7 MASSIVE AG CALCITE SFY1G18GR.JPG

Ground conditions also play an important role in determining target ID, and refer to factors such as strength of non-conductive magnetic susceptible iron minerals, ground moisture content, proximity of adjacent targets, and disturbed ground. These factors sometimes contribute to good silver at depth producing a VLF target ID in the iron range.

Probably the best photo example available to me is a specimen found a few years back at good depth in tough magnetic diabase. It produced a predominantly iron target ID on the Fisher F75. It was detected in a fairly low trash area, the signal was suspect, and it was checked with the groundgrab feature. In this instance, there was no ground phase reduction to more conductive values as would be anticipated over rusty iron or a positive hotrock, and so the target was dug.

But otherwise, the rule of thumb over questionable weaker signals is to remove some material to acquire a stronger signal and target ID readout before making a decision to continue digging in our difficult, hard-packed rocky substrates, or move on. If there is the least doubt we dig the target and learn what actually produced the signal.

5.2 OZT AG NUGGET SF18YGLOGS.JPG

The specimen depicted below was found by eyesight while hiking along an old abandoned rail track. In the field our rock samples seem more attractive or valuable than they do once we return to camp, where we tend to view them far more critically. If they donā€™t look to have good specimen grade potential, my samples either get chucked or given away. But thatā€™s just meā€¦ others are more resourceful with unwanted samples, theyā€™re refined by some, subjected to treatments, or slabbedā€¦ and ultimately sold. In any case, this rock didn't terribly impress me and was placed with the other discards on the picnic table. But nobody other than my wife seemed much interested in it, and that is how it came to be included here.

In its original condition, it could only be described as nondescript, with very little showing on the surface prior to treatment. It did produce a broad solid PI signal, despite that the few surface indicators were non-conductive dark ruby silver pyrargyrite and to a much lesser extent what I think is the black silver sulfosalt stephanite. To see more, it was acid-washed to expose silver and associated minerals, cleaned-up with a rotary tool followed by a dish detergent bath and rinse.

Both these minerals produce a good luster that makes them a bit more difficult to distinguish from native silver in a photo. But in reality it is easy to see the differences and do some simple tests to confirm if necessary. As it turned outā€¦ the sample does have a good showing of dendritic native silverā€¦ a timely reminder that metal detectors see what we initially canā€™t see inside rocks.

2.2 LB NATIVE RUBY CALCITE SF19Y1G.JPG

Abandoned Trails, Minesite Tracks and Roadbedsā€¦

Abandoned, frequently overgrown trails, mining tracks, and roadbeds provide convenient routes to prime detecting sites that otherwise would be much more difficult to access. But the important thing is that most such routes were built with discarded mine tailings to considerable depth, and contain good silver more frequently than you might think possible. Some snake through the bush to more remote areas, but the vast majority of these now abandoned routes were built to service existing minesites at the time. They were used to transport discarded rock to the tailing disposal areas, and silver ores to storage buildings and to mill sites, and generally to service other mining camp requirements.

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We know from research and experience that silver was misgraded, inadvertently misplaced, or lost directly from spills to eventually reside on, within, or alongside these now abandoned trails and roadbeds. These mine tailingsā€¦ frequently containing rich silverā€¦ were also used to build storage beds, minesite entrances, loading ramps, and as notedā€¦ routes to facilitate waste rock transport. All these offer excellent, obvious prospects to search with a suitable metal detector.

The nugget below, with several other pieces, was found in the tailings adjacent to the abandoned track in the photo above. Some good weather following a horrendous week of persistent heavy rainfalls prompted me to head out late one afternoon for some casual detecting. I had sampled those tailings earlier in the season but nothing by way of thorough searching. And while the silver was generally small, it had been surprisingly good quality. So I was looking forward to a few relaxing hours of detectingā€¦ nothing ambitious that late in the dayā€¦ just happy to get out of camp.

That particular spot formerly housed storage beds, and was now replete with large rusty nails. I should have used a VLF unit, as things would have gone much more quickly. VLF motion all-metal detection depth in that moderate ground would pretty well match Infinium equipped with the 8ā€ mono, with the further advantage of target ID. If conductive pyrrhotite hotrocks had also been present, I would have switched over to my F75 or MXT.

But I stayed with the Infinium primarily because I enjoy using it. By comparison it is slow going, but that isn't such a bad thing over potentially good ground. It silences what can be described as VLF ground noise, in addition to sizable non-conductive mafic hotrocks in this area. It also has some limited high conductive iron handling capability, for example elongated iron such as drillrods or rail spikes at sufficient depth that VLF unitsā€¦ even using small iron discriminationā€¦ misidentify with perfectly good signals and non-ferrous target ID readouts. More information on this subject can be found atā€¦ Garret Infinium Silver Rock Hunting - Revised Edition February 2011 White's TDI Pro in Silver Country [including Infinium Comparison]

Nearly all the signals proved to be nails, plus one drillbit with a perpendicular profile to the coil. The silver below produced a low-high signal in zero discrimination and a good high-low signal in reverse discrimination at maybe eight to ten inches depthā€¦ almost identical to the drillbit. The exposed silver was unusually tarnished and the remainder partially embedded in carbonate rock. It was acid-bathed to free the silver, cleaned with a rotary tool diamond bit and circular wire brush, followed by a detergent wash and rinse.

9.6 OZT SILVER NUGGET SFPANGY17GRN.JPG

While searching one such abandoned route with his Fisher F75, Sheldon Ward found a large highgrade silver ore comprised of a thick calcite vein containing massive dendritic native silver. It should weigh about 20 lbs give or take a bit, and is attached to dark country rock. It generated a moderate but broad signal from several feet depth, requiring about 30 minutes of hard pick and shovel work to recover it. It possesses an unusually elevated target ID well above silver dime range, making it quite rare indeed. Over nearly 30 years in this area and perhaps thousands of silver samples later, I've seen only a handful of silver produce a similar target ID.

On site we obviously have the benefit of closely examining the vein material, but itā€™s impossible for readers to evaluate the silver based on the photos below because of the camera to rock distance and the smudged dirt layer on the vein. And outdoor photos do tend to make native silver look much like grey rock. A better view of the cleaned sample can be had at Sheldonā€™s photobucket link to a half-minute video.
http://vid307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/InsaneTundra/P1020237.mp4

Sheldon if you happen to be reading along here, congratulations on your many superb silver and associated mineral recoveries over the past year. Nothing that your dedication and persistence achieves in the years to come will ever surprise me. :)

SHELDON WARD & ROCK.JPG

SHELDON'S HIGHGRADE SILVER.JPG

Persistence Pays Dividendsā€¦

Letā€™s wrap things up with a tale about the rock sample below. It was recovered at the edge of a tangled overgrown trail near a former millsite just a few years ago. Its recovery exemplifies that the more you work towards your objective of finding silver or gold, the more likely your luck will correspondingly improve.

Iā€™d been searching that particular area for two days without meaningful results while evaluating a newly purchased Garrett Infinium for this application. The second day had again been filled with digging hard-packed rocky substrates for iron junk, worthless or otherwise unwanted arsenides, and plenty of conductive pyrrhotite hotrocks. As the sun was reaching for the western horizon, I decided to make one final effort before heading elsewhere the following day.

Methodically working along the old track towards the mill, lots of old diggings were plainly evident. But previous hunters had avoided an area with a scattering of large, flat rusty iron pieces and other miscellaneous modern trash. I moved quickly to clear it away, because daylight was fading fast beneath the dense forest canopy. My Infinium soon produced a surprisingly strong high-low signal that practically vanished in reverse discriminationā€¦ a promising indication of naturally occurring ores. I dug down a foot before my Propointer could locate the signal.

Probability says that it could have been any number of possible targets altogether more likely than good silver. But fickle Lady Luck was more kindly disposed towards me that evening. The rich, finely dendritic piece depicted below was in my gloved hands just as twilight was stealing across that lonely abandoned trail in remote silver country.

5.2 LB SILVER IN CALCITE DDSFGR14.JPG

A Final Wordā€¦

A special mention to my friend Dr. Jim Eckert. I hadnā€™t seen much of Jim recently, but happened across his trail late one overcast afternoon in the outback. I was about to hike into a site when this fellow came flying down the trail on a motorbike, and despite the riding helmet I recognized him. We had a good long chat about this and thatā€¦

Later in the season, one bright sunny afternoon at the site of my short-lived testhole diggings, Jim stopped around to show me a recent specimen find comprised of native silver and possibly crystalline stephanite. We talked mineralogy and other interests many hours until finally the sun was going down. These were highlights of the trip, and I want to say how much I enjoyed and appreciated having that companionable time together.

Thanks to everyone for dropping by. We hope that you enjoy presentations about our silver, particularly since it is different from what many rockhunters normally encounter in their areas. All the very best with your prospecting adventuresā€¦ perhaps one day it will be our good luck to meet you in the field.

Jim Hemmingway
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Hi goldenmojo... I had wondered if we'd hear from you, so thankyou for dropping around with the above comments. I'm glad that you have found the article interesting and so yes... let's look at a few more photos. The first one is a scene shot depicting just one section of a mining camp and former mill site... you can imagine that one could easily spend many seasons searching there. And there are many such sites scattered through the area. I've found many silver ores and nuggets in the general area over time...


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Before proceeding, allow me to point out that we are lucky to live within accessible distance to an area where native silver and associated minerals occur in relative abundance. Over time persistent searching is bound to recover a variety of good silver. So these photos are not intended as a boast, but rather to point out that anyone can and any number of hobbyists have found similar material... and frequently in much larger sizes. The piece below was found maybe a kilometer further back in the bush many years ago now and was one of my first genuine massively structured silver nuggets...

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The next photo depicts an attractive branching or what is described as a dendritic native silver structure in a calcite matrix. Although it was found at a good distance from the above site, I think it is a pretty fair example.


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The next photo shows you a good example of crystalline native silver in calcite. It was found at the above site, such pieces are fairly rare and valuable. I use the word "valuable" advisedly because frankly I don't sell my silver and therefore couldn't care less. I decided long ago to never allow money to interfere with the only real interest that stayed with me all my life, because I feared that it might destroy my interest over time. That's just me... please don't take that as a negative comment on those who do sell their samples... because that certainly is not the case.


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The next photo depicts a silver sulfosalt mineral that is fairly common at various sites in this area. Otherwise it is generally known as 'deep ruby silver'... pyrargyrite... that contains a roughly 60% silver by weight, in combination with antimony and to a lesser extent some sulfur. I've found many such ores over the years...

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I think we'll wrap it up with a photo of massively structured native silver that now can only be described as a "nugget". At one point it was embedded in considerable calcite, in fact my wife can attest that there was no silver visible on the surface of the initially found rock. At the time I did not possess a target ID prospecting-capable detector and had no idea that it was such a good quality find. It was the last night of that particular trip, I was situated on a rather steep rocky ridge and twilight was quickly fading to darkness. I retrieved the signal and simply tossed it down below where my wife placed it into an orebag for the trip home. There was no opportunity to examine it with discrimination circuitry at the time, you can imagine my surprise later on. I understand that it doesn't sound very likely, but nonetheless it is a true story.

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OK I think that's it for now goldenmojo, I hope these are suitable. Now we mustn't overlook this opportunity to wish you every success with your prospecting endeavors, a very Merry Christmas, and a happy, prosperous forthcoming New Year. :)

Jim.

What an amazing read once again!
I've learned more about silver ore extraction from you than from any other soul

You Rock my friend.
 

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Jim, thanks for sharing this most interesting story. We have a few outcrops of some silver here in Idaho but not a lot. I was wondering about what a 2 pound chunk of this type of silver samples might sell for, if you know? ron...
 

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Jim, I enjoy your pictures and stories. I primarily look for gold myself, but any target I get under my coil will always be realized. Persistence has paid off with 2 minor silver deposits that I had to break free from the host rock. I have also found a couple small silver nuggets along the way. It's all good as far as I am concerned.

Happy holidays to you and your family. Keep up the diligent work. Dennis
 

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Hi Jim, thanks for the story and pictures. I've come to anticipate your stories as they are always well written, informative and entertaining. I appreciate your sharing your adventures and your beautiful specimens.

I have wondered about your specimen cleaning methods so thanks for sharing that too. As a lifetime field collector I know that much of the work and skill are employed after the finds are returned home. I wonder have you ever tried a textile pressure gun in your cleaning work? They can be very useful and save a lot of time for some types of material.

Happy Holidays and as always I wish you
Heavy Pans
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What an amazing read once again!
I've learned more about silver ore extraction from you than from any other soul

You Rock my friend.

Thankyou GoldProspector for the above compliment. In fact we seem to spend a lot of time kicking rocks each prospecting season, so maybe what you say is true in that sense. :wink:

But on the other hand, given that weā€™re in the festive holiday seasonā€¦ I wondered if you would enjoy a bit more Christmas cheer in the form of "The Little St. Nick" below by the Beach Boys. Hope it isn't too much before your time, but heckā€¦ it too does rock. Happy Holidays!!!



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Thankyou GoldProspector for the above compliment. In fact we seem to spend a lot of time kicking rocks each prospecting season, so maybe what you say is true in that sense. :wink:

But on the other hand, given that we&#146;re in the festive holiday season&#133; I wondered if you would enjoy a bit more Christmas cheer in the form of "The Little St. Nick" below by the Beach Boys. Hope it isn't too much before your time, but heck&#133; it too does rock. Happy Holidays!!!

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnz845yHBtE

Jim.

Before my time or not the Beach Boys seriously rock. Perfect music choice for any time of year Thanks for kicking me that tune have a great day Jim
 

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Jim, thanks for sharing this most interesting story. We have a few outcrops of some silver here in Idaho but not a lot. I was wondering about what a 2 pound chunk of this type of silver samples might sell for, if you know? ron...

Season's Greetings Ron, thanks very much for stopping around and posting your comments.

As to your question about silver pricing, I'm afraid that with no experience in the marketplace either buying or selling, I am not the person to properly answer this question. But I will share some ideas with you, and who knowsā€¦ we can hope someone experienced will see this and offer you some suggestions.

Frankly Iā€™m often dismayed at the extraordinary prices asked for silver in various structural forms on dealer websites. There frequently seems to be little or no relationship between bullion value and specimen pricing. And too, Iā€™ve seen examples where inclusions of other related minerals such as acanthite or ruby silver, even associated minerals such as erythrite or annabergite add to the values asked on dealer websites.

It seems to me that highly dendritic or crystalline silver attracts a lot of buyer interest. It can be free of host rock, or for example embedded in carbonate rock, or exist in a mixed ore form with cobaltite or various arsenides as the primary matrix. Silver embedded in a creamy / white calcite or dolomite matrix has proven popularā€¦ Iā€™ve received countless inquiries along those lines over the years.

Then too pricing depends on how the sample is presented, for example naturally as found, or to some extend etched, or as a slabbed sample. Buyer preferences vary considerablyā€¦ Iā€™ve swapped beautiful silver specimens to dealers in the past only to see these later posted on their websites completely etchedā€¦ and ruined in my estimateā€¦ but they do sell. A key element is to examine markets around the continent, visit dealer websites and take note of their specimen prices. Markets vary, up here silver is relatively cheap because thereā€™s plenty to be had, maybe in Texas or areas further west you might see something altogether different.

A starting place for more nondescript samples might be a formula of total specimen weight in troy oz multiplied by silver bullion value per troy oz. Thatā€™s total specimen weight, not just silver weight. Then factor in a specimens appealā€¦ does it contain a lot of silver, does it have rugged or high character good looks, does it exhibit good structure, is the background host matrix complimentary to the embedded silver, and so forth. Native silver is increasingly difficult to find, once itā€™s gone thereā€™s no more to be hadā€¦ so price your material accordingly and be patient.

Gold is probably subject to similar marketing conditions as is silver, and there are forum members here who are far more knowledgeable and practically experienced with this subjectā€¦ perhaps someone will see your question and further respond. I hope you can satisfactorily find more definitive answers to your pricing question, and I feel that you will with some research.

Meanwhile, in keeping with the season Ron, we would like to wish you a very Merry Christmas, and all the very best with the forthcoming New Year. :)

Jim.
 

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Jim, I enjoy your pictures and stories. I primarily look for gold myself, but any target I get under my coil will always be realized. Persistence has paid off with 2 minor silver deposits that I had to break free from the host rock. I have also found a couple small silver nuggets along the way. It's all good as far as I am concerned.

Happy holidays to you and your family. Keep up the diligent work. Dennis

Thanks Dennis, it was good of you to stop around and make those kindly comments above. Iā€™m glad you enjoyed the articleā€¦ it makes the effort worthwhile. I can return the compliment, because I do enjoy your informative and sensible posts to the forum. I didnā€™t read about your silver finds, but then we havenā€™t been home enough to spend a lot of time on the computer just lately. Congratulations, itā€™s fortunate that you can find gold, silver and copper ores / nuggets in your area.

We would like to wish you a very Merry Christmas, and all the very bestā€¦ every success with your prospecting Dennisā€¦ in the forthcoming New Year. :)

Jim.
 

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Hi Jim, thanks for the story and pictures. I've come to anticipate your stories as they are always well written, informative and entertaining. I appreciate your sharing your adventures and your beautiful specimens.

I have wondered about your specimen cleaning methods so thanks for sharing that too. As a lifetime field collector I know that much of the work and skill are employed after the finds are returned home. I wonder have you ever tried a textile pressure gun in your cleaning work? They can be very useful and save a lot of time for some types of material.

Happy Holidays and as always I wish you
Heavy Pans
Barry

Hi Barryā€¦ thankyou for taking an interest and dropping around with the above commentsā€¦ weā€™re certainly pleased that you enjoyed the read. Iā€™m glad you brought the textile pressure gun to my noticeā€¦ Iā€™ll purchase a unit and see how it does. It could save a lot of tedious work with the rotary tool and be much less intrusive or destructive.

A friend in Alaska cleaned some silver that I had swapped over to him. He operates a commercial garage, and has a cleaning system for automotive parts that was used to mechanically abrade the silver with either glass beads or bits of nut shellsā€¦ at the moment I canā€™t recollect. I expect you know all about such methods, but I was quite surprised at the results. He sent me the photo below of a silver sample that had been slabbed and then cleaned in his unit. All the silver sent to him was stained, dull and dirtyā€¦ but I think youā€™ll agree the results look goodā€¦

ALASKA BOB CLEAN SAMPLE.JPG

Thanks again Barry, we are pretty lucky to have your level of expertise available to us, so we definitely welcome anything that you might suggest. Frankly I really enjoy the great outdoors, the camping, and the detecting, but my ore cleaning methods donā€™t stand up to close scrutiny very well Iā€™m afraid. I will look into the textile gun and see what results.

Have a great holiday season, we wish you a stocking full of goodies, and otherwise a very Merry Christmas, and a joyous and prosperous Happy New Year. :)

Jim.
 

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Hi Jim,

While I'm no way an expert on specimen pricing I do know that there are a lot of different factors involved in setting a price. Every thing from the gold weight to what kind of matrix it in can and will effect pricing. The appearance is also a major factor in determining a selling price. A lot also has to do with how and where a good specimen is marketed. Some collectors will pay through the nose for a unique piece just so they can add it to their collection. If offered to the "right crowd" a piece can actually create a bidding war which will drive the price even higher. If possible, one should always try to sell directly to the collectors. A dealer will have to make his profit and to maximize that he's going to give you the least amount possible.

When I was growing up, I had some unique opportunities to learn from a friends father from time to time. This gentleman was a lot like Barry in that he enjoyed sharing his knowledge. Up until he retired, he ran a very successful company that dealt with all kinds of gem stone and mineral samples from around the world. It wasn't uncommon to see large shipping containers arrive from all points of the globe loaded with all kinds of gem and mineral samples. I can think of much worse ways for a future miner to grow up!

I think that if I ever find a really nice specimen or two, I'll donate a few to a museum so everyone can enjoy it instead of having it locked up in some collectors vault. The beauty of nature should be shared, not horded away.

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Hi Jim,

I think that if I ever find a really nice specimen or two, I'll donate a few to a museum so everyone can enjoy it instead of having it locked up in some collectors vault. The beauty of nature should be shared, not horded away.

Jeff

Thanks Jeffā€¦ you've provided some pretty good information in which Ron can have confidence. There is nothing like hearing it from someone with experience at the business end of things.

I highlighted your last paragraph above because we donā€™t often see your unselfish, philanthropic philosophy in the world of mineralogy. I happen to agree with you that it would be nice to see more unique or interesting specimens at some point finally reside in a museum for others to appreciate. This subject has been on my mind and in our family discussions more than once in recent years. I see it simply as a choice in life and nothing else.

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Jim, thanks for the reply. I find this most interesting

Hi Ron... you are welcome, possibly someone else will add their opinion. One item we have overlooked is sample documentation. Information specific to your silver specimen, insofar as you provide its history, will create more interest which should translate into improved sale value. Don't reveal your research, but provide what you can by way of a general location, when it was found, any circumstances about the actual recovery, and possibly who found it if you are free to do so. If it was found at a well-known mining area, then I see no reason why that information shouldn't be stated.

Jim.
 

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Jim - this article and thread is a great read. I will have to go over it some more to understand all of the tidbits presented, as I am a hack when it comes to detecting silver.

I have been up in your neck of the woods and also found some silver, but it has been a while. It was before I had a GPS, so am not sure I could even find some of the old sites I had discovered. Before I got passionate about detecting, I used to drive through your area on my way to Hornpayne 2-3 times per year. At that time, it was just a halfway place to get gas and worry about hitting a moose on the highway at night.

A friend who sold detectors had a number of large silver samples that he had found and it was him that tweaked my interest back then.

My method was to go in the fall with my dog and hunt partridge, but when I came across an interesting site would go back for the detector and snoop around. Back then, it was pretty easy to find specimens, especially away from the roads, high up on some of the hills. I suspect I discarded some good pieces due to lack of knowledge. What is too funny is all too often I would find partridge when I had the detector and when hunting far from the truck would discover an interesting mine hole or cut. It almost never failed and I guess there is a lesson there about luck and focus.

It also occurred to me that it would be an interesting place for a scuba dive and an underwater detector. Quite a few tailings were dumped into the lake and I wonder if they have ever been looked over?

Anyway, thanks for the wonderful article. Someday soon I will give silver another try.
 

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Jim - this article and thread is a great read. I will have to go over it some more to understand all of the tidbits presented, as I am a hack when it comes to detecting silver.

I have been up in your neck of the woods and also found some silver, but it has been a while. It was before I had a GPS, so am not sure I could even find some of the old sites I had discovered. Before I got passionate about detecting, I used to drive through your area on my way to Hornpayne 2-3 times per year. At that time, it was just a halfway place to get gas and worry about hitting a moose on the highway at night.

A friend who sold detectors had a number of large silver samples that he had found and it was him that tweaked my interest back then.

My method was to go in the fall with my dog and hunt partridge, but when I came across an interesting site would go back for the detector and snoop around. Back then, it was pretty easy to find specimens, especially away from the roads, high up on some of the hills. I suspect I discarded some good pieces due to lack of knowledge. What is too funny is all too often I would find partridge when I had the detector and when hunting far from the truck would discover an interesting mine hole or cut. It almost never failed and I guess there is a lesson there about luck and focus.

It also occurred to me that it would be an interesting place for a scuba dive and an underwater detector. Quite a few tailings were dumped into the lake and I wonder if they have ever been looked over?

Anyway, thanks for the wonderful article. Someday soon I will give silver another try.

Hi placergold... thanks a lot for taking an interest here and posting your kindly remarks... we certainly appreciate it. Yes I agree with you that it was easier to find silver back in the old days, but even at that, I arrived in the area after the electronic prospecting "rush" was pretty much over. In fact more of my best finds have come in recent years, but then I've adapted my technique to become more of an excavator than a wandering detectorist.

You are right about tailings in the lakes, and these would make for prime detecting I suppose. And a few local people have at least done so many years ago. But it's very slow going / inefficient, and digging underwater tailings soon clouds the water with sediments such that you can't see anything. And there are dangers for the unwary... obstacles, protruding sharps, collapsing tailings, wire and whatever else might exist.

Look me up next autumn if you decide to visit the area, I'm sure we can do some hunts, and share some hot dinner over the campfire. Meanwhile, we would like to wish you a very Merry Christmas, and all the very best in the forthcoming New Year. :)

Jim.
 

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Sounds like a plan. There is also another fellow that I have stayed in touch with that lives up there and detects. It is a small world and he knows you.

You are correct about being careful when detecting tailings underwater. Bad things can happen fast and be especially dangerous if the dive is solo. Many years back a diver got caught under a sunken log while detecting across the lake I am living on. A horrible end to a pursuit of a few coins and perhaps a ring.

I have a little story that I believe is true from your neck of the woods. The friend of a friend was on a fly in day fishing trip. They stopped for a shore lunch and used rocks for the fireplace. He thought a couple of them were relatively very heavy and put them into his backpack. On getting home, he found them to be silver. So somewhere up there beside a lake big enough to land a float plane and used for tourist fishing (probably walleye) is an attractive lunch site with accessible silver. This was back when silver was not worth much and I don't think he would have staked it. I don't know if these were from a cut or natural. It would be interesting to get a few more details (ie name of lake or at least the outfitter) if he has no intention of pursuing it to help narrow down the search. In fact, I don't know if he is still living in the area or still living. Maybe a winter project.
 

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Oh for sure placergold, its a good plan if you can get over that way, well we see next autumn, but I expect you will be out in northern BC. Incidentally, I've met countless souls from all over the eastern half of the continent, especially Texas, but mainly the northern Great Lakes states and a surprising number from the New England states over almost 30 years. Of course we'd all like to stay in touch but somehow it rarely ever happens... we seem to fade away with time.

I enjoyed how you related the above story about the float silver. You know, it is not terribly uncommon for outdoorsmen to inadvertently find silver. Our experience is that most float silver is found right on or very near to the surface. You'd naturally expect it to be right on the bedrock, but we have found that is simply not the case. In fact many thousands of lbs of float were found by the early miners because it was sitting exposed on the surface. Probably has to do with the previous glacial action, the last of which scraped through the area about 10,000 years ago.

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You are so right. I am already making plans for Northern BC and get to testing/sampling/exploring. I also acquired a new claim smack dab in the middle of one of the historic placer creeks known for large nuggets. The area has been drifted, hydrauliced and machine mined, so I am looking forward to perhaps locating a small sweet spot to detect. I plan on detecting more this year than I did last year.

By the way, I made a phone call to ask if there is more info remembered on the float silver. The original fellow has gone his separate way, but I did learn that he never went back, as far as anybody knows. Also, he figured that the rocks were samples that were put by the shore by an earlier prospector, who never went back for them. It was a natural canoe landing. So they were not from right there and instead, probably from walking distance from there. A fun story, without enough to make it worthwhile to pursue.
 

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You would be surprised at how many floats are not silver but rather are mostly arsenides in that area. And yet placergold I have seen a few floats that are so rich with silver they literally take your breath away. It is the main thing that appeals to me about the area, it is possible to find large samples with heft and therefore value, that can dazzle you. I realize of course that gold has the incredible relative value, but the small fine stream run gold particles even in quantity simply don't float my boat. The reason?? I like specimens with some size, large enough to be called specimens, at least in the grains range. Money value is distantly secondary to me. If you can't detect it, forget it.

When last in Atlin some 25 years ago, there was active mining in many of the outlying areas... and not that far either. For example, much further upstream from the public panning site on the Spruce, there was a major operation with large equipment that had literally excavated a canyon of material... jars and jars of beautiful large gold nuggets in addition to the vast majority of small stuff. I vividly recollect hiking the Birch, the Pine and several other renowned creeks, but as you say... these were claimed and so I didn't even carry a detector while exploring.

Despite the modern-day mining activity, there is a strong sense of the past that shrouds that area. There is a feeling in the air, a sense of discovery that draws modern day prospectors from across the continent. In fact I was invited to detect a claim owned by a couple, but had to decline since my time there was about done and we had to head south, back across Canada to get home before snow hit the mountains or prairies. Even at that... we saw heavy snow further south in Jasper.

Let's spruce up this post with some color. Some of our silver... such as the piece below... has a golden tinge depending on the source. In fact gold was found in a few spots with the silver... the incandescent lighting for this photo further enhances the golden hue...

Jim.
4.5 LB SILVER CALCITE SFYYG18RBKGD.JPG

 

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I have a claim on both Birch and Ruby plus one that is difficult to reach in an outlying area that I will probably forfeit. I have had claims on other creeks, but they were not was I was after. There is still active mining on most of the top 7 historic creeks in the area. They best detecting is for those who can get into the pits after the machines are done. What I like about fine gold, is at least you are finding something, but there is a great deal to be said about the clichƩ "two cents looks like a million dollars". I have an awful time when I show my wife a jar of fines and explain it took two weeks and oodles of $$ to scavenge it out. There is noting like a "sassy" nugget (stealing Lanny's ADJ).

It is interesting that you sometimes find a bit of gold with the silver. By the way, nice picture. You have a skill to be able to photo and show off your specimens in such an attractive way.
 

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