Yeah I am working on finding the right people to ask. The places around here are a little different. Everything is either private or State property. Finding property owners of some of the more secluded areas is tough because sometimes there isn't a residence on the property. I know Google Maps isn't always accurate but many places it shows housing lots surrounding an area but a strip of property the follows the waterway. How would you approach a creek that you know holds gold but is on commercial property. The property's border follows the creek which is in wooded and down the hill along the perimeter of property. Think of a strip mall type place where there may be a bunch of different stores, Target, Lowes, resturants, huge parking lot, etc. You are able to park in the lot right next to the woods and got to your spot. Would you ask permission?