About LRL & MFD; If you say youre something, just prove it!

[EE THr]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Archie---

OK. By your own standards, you are not an engineer---so you don't have the knowledge to make that statement. You have no idea whether knowledge of a function generator would give someone the knowledge to determine if your MFD works or not. Therefore your statement is invalid.

It's very simple logic.

Just common sense.

 

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[architecad]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Archie---

OK. By your own standards, you are not an engineer---so you don't have the knowledge to make that statement. You have no idea whether knowledge of a function generator would give someone the knowledge to determine if your MFD works or not. Therefore your statement is invalid.

It's very simple logic.

Just common sense.

Again #2****************************************

What did you say?

You have no idea whether knowledge of a function generator

Say it again to have more fun!!

Arch

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

~arch~ Post #17

I don't need somebody else test my MFD. I test it by myself. I know when it's working or not. If you know how does works a function generator, you should know how does work an MFD.

~EE~Post #18

But, by your own standards, you are not an engineer---so you don't have the knowledge to make that statement. You have no idea whether knowledge of a function generator would give someone the knowledge to determine if your MFD works or not. Therefore your statement is invalid.

~EE~ Post #20..

By your own standards, you are not an engineer---so you don't have the knowledge to make that statement. You have no idea whether knowledge of a function generator would give someone the knowledge to determine if your MFD works or not. Therefore your statement is invalid.

It's very simple logic.

Just common sense.

Did you have to repeat that statement to make sure it was right. So..When he recovers a treasure does not give him the knowledge that the device is working because he is not an Engineer...Wow what Logical statement. These Treasure Hunting trips are getting crowded...We need a Camera Crew, an unbiased observer and now an engineer ..Art

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

My question is ,,,Why is it so important to furnish YOU the test info? How will it help you in anyway? Why do we HAVE to convince YOU?

Have I missed a fact that you make much of a sh-t in any matter? You are an dam electrician for Gods sake. People put their cats up when electricians come to town. Some of the lowest humans to ever sh-t through a meat a--hole are electricians. I know them. You have no more
importance than anyone else on here. Since you WON'T try an experiment, none of this means anything to you.

I am not looking at any more of your posts. Every time I do, I'm sorry I did. You never answer questions in earnest, only with a slant to start another argument. So you forget about any of the many simple questions you skipped, too late. I suggest anyone else fed up with you do the same. congrats. You made it to Sparky Sr.'s level, One of the most ignored posters on all forums. Great job. I guess I should post some electrician jokes to get the point across.

 

[Saturna]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

My question is ,,,Why is it so important to furnish YOU the test info? How will it help you in anyway? Why do we HAVE to convince YOU?

Since you don't care about convincing people, why do you put so much time into posting about this stuff ? Seems like an odd thing to be doing if you aren't concerned about what anyone believes.


There's what you guys say , and what you actually do.

 

[EE THr]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

My question is ,,,Why is it so important to furnish YOU the test info? How will it help you in anyway? Why do we HAVE to convince YOU?

Have I missed a fact that you make much of a sh-t in any matter? You are an dam electrician for Gods sake. People put their cats up when electricians come to town. Some of the lowest humans to ever sh-t through a meat a--hole are electricians. I know them. You have no more
importance than anyone else on here. Since you WON'T try an experiment, none of this means anything to you.

I am not looking at any more of your posts. Every time I do, I'm sorry I did. You never answer questions in earnest, only with a slant to start another argument. So you forget about any of the many simple questions you skipped, too late. I suggest anyone else fed up with you do the same. congrats. You made it to Sparky Sr.'s level, One of the most ignored posters on all forums. Great job. I guess I should post some electrician jokes to get the point across.

Because you keep insisting that we believe you---why is it so important to you that we "believe" your fantastic claims?

Why should you be asking me any questions at all? I don't own an LRL, and the subject of the LRL forums is LRL devices. You have no reason to be asking me any questions at all (except to try and divert attention away from all the evidence that LRLs are nonfunctional fraudulent scams)!

There is no argument. I just post known facts. If you want to argue with established and proven facts, then that is your little problem.

The offer to have someone, who you folks regard as trustworthy, test your devices is because you keep insisting that the only reason you don't do Carl's or Randi's tests is because you don't trust them. So, since you were unable to think of a way that you could prove yourselves which would be acceptable to you, I'm just helping you out with that.

Aren't you going to thank me?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

~EE~

Because you keep insisting that we believe you---why is it so important to you that we "believe" your fantastic claims?

Why should you be asking me any questions at all? I don't own an LRL, and the subject of the LRL forums is LRL devices. You have no reason to be asking me any questions at all (except to try and divert attention away from all the evidence that LRLs are nonfunctional fraudulent scams)!

There is no argument. I just post known facts. If you want to argue with established and proven facts, then that is your little problem.

The offer to have someone, who you folks regard as trustworthy, test your devices is because you keep insisting that the only reason you don't do Carl's or Randi's tests is because you don't trust them. So, since you were unable to think of a way that you could prove yourselves which would be acceptable to you, I'm just helping you out with that.

So since you are not a LRL owner I take that to man that you do not Hunt Treasure with one of these devices. So we have no reason ask you questions about how these devices work.
So if we want to ask questions about what you say are Proven Facts that is a no no.

PLEASE NOTE: As the administrator, creator and owner of this site, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE GET RIPPED OFF (defrauded) by people selling so-called "long range locators" (devices, that supposedly, can find precious metals at a distance). I HIGHLY recommend consulting a geophysicist ($100 in consulting fees could save you thousands, and you'll learn something!), before spending ONE DIME ON ANY "long range locator" . With that, I open this forum to the discussion of said devices.
Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?
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I'm just helping you out with that.

No insult as I am just trying to help you understand what a forum is..Art

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Art, I see from your post it was the same no answer, only convolution on the run. To admit he has no interest in this, yet is neck to neck with Sparky Sr. as resident ankle biter, is good to see. No interest, no experience, yet knows it all and then some. My, my, tis a wonderful thing, this bliss. Wonder if a category was started called--You is dumb and I ain't , would this attract the flies there and not here? Hmmm

I know it would get the architects, and doctors, I'm just not sure about elect. engineers.

 

[architecad]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

My question is ,,,Why is it so important to furnish YOU the test info? How will it help you in anyway? Why do we HAVE to convince YOU?

Have I missed a fact that you make much of a sh-t in any matter? You are an dam electrician for Gods sake. People put their cats up when electricians come to town. Some of the lowest humans to ever sh-t through a meat a--hole are electricians. I know them. You have no more
importance than anyone else on here. Since you WON'T try an experiment, none of this means anything to you.

I am not looking at any more of your posts. Every time I do, I'm sorry I did. You never answer questions in earnest, only with a slant to start another argument. So you forget about any of the many simple questions you skipped, too late. I suggest anyone else fed up with you do the same. congrats. You made it to Sparky Sr.'s level, One of the most ignored posters on all forums. Great job. I guess I should post some electrician jokes to get the point across.

Because you keep insisting that we believe you---why is it so important to you that we "believe" your fantastic claims?

Why should you be asking me any questions at all? I don't own an LRL, and the subject of the LRL forums is LRL devices. You have no reason to be asking me any questions at all (except to try and divert attention away from all the evidence that LRLs are nonfunctional fraudulent scams)!

There is no argument. I just post known facts. If you want to argue with established and proven facts, then that is your little problem.

The offer to have someone, who you folks regard as trustworthy, test your devices is because you keep insisting that the only reason you don't do Carl's or Randi's tests is because you don't trust them. So, since you were unable to think of a way that you could prove yourselves which would be acceptable to you, I'm just helping you out with that.

Aren't you going to thank me?

Because you keep insisting that we believe you---why is it so important to you that we "believe" your fantastic claims?

Nobody here pretend to convince you about our claims. You're here because you want to be, not for some invitation from any of us. You have to be clear in that point. If you don't believe, don't do it, we don't care. We will keep detecting and finding targets with MD, LRL and MFD and you won't stop us. THIS LAST SENTENCE IS A FULL AND REALISTIC FACT!! so seems to me you're in the wrong forum.

Arch

 

[EE THr]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Art, I see from your post it was the same no answer, only convolution on the run. To admit he has no interest in this, yet is neck to neck with Sparky Sr. as resident ankle biter, is good to see. No interest, no experience, yet knows it all and then some. My, my, tis a wonderful thing, this bliss. Wonder if a category was started called--You is dumb and I ain't , would this attract the flies there and not here? Hmmm

I know it would get the architects, and doctors, I'm just not sure about elect. engineers.

In answer to your question: It's not important to me that you furnish any test info at all. I could care less about it.

But since you spend so much time trying to convince others that your LRLs actually work, it is obviously very important to you. And I'm just saying that your fantastic claims remain unproven. And I'll add that if you really want to convince anyone, you'll need to provide legitimate scientific proof, by passing a random double-blind test.

You know, both Archie and PuffDaddy have agreed to take Carl's test. So, why not you?

 

[architecad]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Art, I see from your post it was the same no answer, only convolution on the run. To admit he has no interest in this, yet is neck to neck with Sparky Sr. as resident ankle biter, is good to see. No interest, no experience, yet knows it all and then some. My, my, tis a wonderful thing, this bliss. Wonder if a category was started called--You is dumb and I ain't , would this attract the flies there and not here? Hmmm

I know it would get the architects, and doctors, I'm just not sure about elect. engineers.

In answer to your question: It's not important to me that you furnish any test info at all. I could care less about it.

But since you spend so much time trying to convince others that your LRLs actually work, it is obviousfly very important to you. And I'm just saying that your fantastic claims remain unproven. And I'll add that if you really want to convince anyone, you'll need to provide legitimate scientific proof, by passing a random double-blind test.

You know, both Archie and PuffDaddy have agreed to take Carl's test. So, why not you?

Pay my $10,000 as I requested since the beginning, then I will participate in that challenge. The $10,000 are my honorary as Professional Treasure Hunter. Don't avoid this point.

Arch

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Art, I see from your post it was the same no answer, only convolution on the run. To admit he has no interest in this, yet is neck to neck with Sparky Sr. as resident ankle biter, is good to see. No interest, no experience, yet knows it all and then some. My, my, tis a wonderful thing, this bliss. Wonder if a category was started called--You is dumb and I ain't , would this attract the flies there and not here? Hmmm

I know it would get the architects, and doctors, I'm just not sure about elect. engineers.

In answer to your question: It's not important to me that you furnish any test info at all. I could care less about it.

But since you spend so much time trying to convince others that your LRLs actually work, it is obviousfly very important to you. And I'm just saying that your fantastic claims remain unproven. And I'll add that if you really want to convince anyone, you'll need to provide legitimate scientific proof, by passing a random double-blind test.

You know, both Archie and PuffDaddy have agreed to take Carl's test. So, why not you?

Pay my $10,000 as I requested since the beginning, then I will participate in that challenge. The $10,000 are my honorary as Professional Treasure Hunter. Don't avoid this point.

Arch

We performed tests yesterday well beyond Carl's little test. Do you see me explaining what we did? Do you see me bragging about how well we did? I don't need that kind of mental massage. You don't need the info. Pretty simple. I phoned the people that mattered, so unless you got a call from me, guess what??

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

~EE~
Art---

"Skeptics" do not make claims.

Are you claiming that “Skeptics do not make claims?

You have made claims. So it is you who need to provide adequate proof.

I have used 7 different LRL’s or MFD’s and found and recovered gold with each...Why and how do I prove that?

I don't see 60 people on here making claims that LRLs work. There are only three or four.

66 owner/operators have posted their opinions on this board..There are only about 5 on this board today.

Why is it that people's education or occupation are only important to LRLs? You are saying that if someone doesn't prove their occupation, that makes LRLs work? That's not logical.

I have not said a person occupation makes LRL’s work. But saying that would not be a bad guess since 95% of the people making the claim that LRL’s are fraudulent also claim to be EE’s.

Proof that LRLs don't work is the fact that all LRLers refuse to provide real proof that they do.

So your claiming again that LRL’s do not work and then claiming we have to prove that they do?

Further proof that LRLs don't work is the claim that people's occupation is what makes them work, which is illogical. When your only proof is illogic, you have no proof. When you say you don't need proof, you have no proof. When you say that we must "believe," that means you have no proof.

And all roses are red.

If your LRLs really worked, you would be willing to provide adequate proof. And you aren't, so they don't.

Sorry that 100’s of testimonials. Photo’s of finds and movies of finds are not considered to be enough for the skeptic cult..

It's just common sense.

Yes the skeptics do not have any common sense.
Art

 

[EE THr]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Art, I see from your post it was the same no answer, only convolution on the run. To admit he has no interest in this, yet is neck to neck with Sparky Sr. as resident ankle biter, is good to see. No interest, no experience, yet knows it all and then some. My, my, tis a wonderful thing, this bliss. Wonder if a category was started called--You is dumb and I ain't , would this attract the flies there and not here? Hmmm

I know it would get the architects, and doctors, I'm just not sure about elect. engineers.

In answer to your question: It's not important to me that you furnish any test info at all. I could care less about it.

But since you spend so much time trying to convince others that your LRLs actually work, it is obviousfly very important to you. And I'm just saying that your fantastic claims remain unproven. And I'll add that if you really want to convince anyone, you'll need to provide legitimate scientific proof, by passing a random double-blind test.

You know, both Archie and PuffDaddy have agreed to take Carl's test. So, why not you?

Pay my $10,000 as I requested since the beginning, then I will participate in that challenge. The $10,000 are my honorary as Professional Treasure Hunter. Don't avoid this point.

Arch

Like I said, I don't care if you prove your fantastic claims or not. An honorable man would willingly provide proof of his claims. If you refuse to provide proof, that's your problem, not mine.

 

[architecad]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Art, I see from your post it was the same no answer, only convolution on the run. To admit he has no interest in this, yet is neck to neck with Sparky Sr. as resident ankle biter, is good to see. No interest, no experience, yet knows it all and then some. My, my, tis a wonderful thing, this bliss. Wonder if a category was started called--You is dumb and I ain't , would this attract the flies there and not here? Hmmm

I know it would get the architects, and doctors, I'm just not sure about elect. engineers.

In answer to your question: It's not important to me that you furnish any test info at all. I could care less about it.

But since you spend so much time trying to convince others that your LRLs actually work, it is obviousfly very important to you. And I'm just saying that your fantastic claims remain unproven. And I'll add that if you really want to convince anyone, you'll need to provide legitimate scientific proof, by passing a random double-blind test.

You know, both Archie and PuffDaddy have agreed to take Carl's test. So, why not you?

Pay my $10,000 as I requested since the beginning, then I will participate in that challenge. The $10,000 are my honorary as Professional Treasure Hunter. Don't avoid this point.

Arch

Like I said, I don't care if you prove your fantastic claims or not. An honorable man would willingly provide proof of his claims. If you refuse to provide proof, that's your problem, not mine.

If you don't care that I can prove or not any finds, then don't be ridiculous here with Carl's $25K challenge. If you want to see me proving something with a MFD you have to pay me $10,000 in advance, otherwise, shut your mouth up. You're the guy with the challenge, nobody else. Don't keep riding in the same bus around the same neighborhood little kid.

Arch

 

[EE THr]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Archie---

Your insults are degrading your credibility.

If you want to try and convince people that your claims are valid (which you consistantly do), then you will have to prove yourself. That's the way life works.

Since you demand that people "believe" you, the whole mess is your problem, not mine.

 

[architecad]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Archie---

Your insults are degrading your credibility.

If you want to try and convince people that your claims are valid (which you consistantly do), then you will have to prove yourself. That's the way life works.

Since you demand that people "believe" you, the whole mess is your problem, not mine.

The users and my friends already believe me, so don't worry about it. I come here no to convince people but to share my experience with MFDs.

Arch

 

[EE THr]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Archie---

Your insults are degrading your credibility.

If you want to try and convince people that your claims are valid (which you consistantly do), then you will have to prove yourself. That's the way life works.

Since you demand that people "believe" you, the whole mess is your problem, not mine.

The users and my friends already believe me, so don't worry about it. I come here no to convince people but to share my experience with MFDs.

Arch

You come here to find people to PM recommendations to buy LRLs.





A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.
"The level of sanity or insanity of the subject matter, determines the level of sanity or insanity of the two-way communication attainable in any discussion."

 

[EddieR]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Archie---

Your insults are degrading your credibility.

If you want to try and convince people that your claims are valid (which you consistantly do), then you will have to prove yourself. That's the way life works.

Since you demand that people "believe" you, the whole mess is your problem, not mine.

The users and my friends already believe me, so don't worry about it. I come here no to convince people but to share my experience with MFDs.

Arch

You come here to find people to PM recommendations to buy LRLs.





A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.
"The level of sanity or insanity of the subject matter, determines the level of sanity or insanity of the two-way communication attainable in any discussion."

You can back up that statement (accusation) with proof?

 

[EE THr]

Re: About LRL & MFD; If you say you're something, just prove it!

Archie---

Your insults are degrading your credibility.

If you want to try and convince people that your claims are valid (which you consistantly do), then you will have to prove yourself. That's the way life works.

Since you demand that people "believe" you, the whole mess is your problem, not mine.

The users and my friends already believe me, so don't worry about it. I come here no to convince people but to share my experience with MFDs.

Arch

You come here to find people to PM recommendations to buy LRLs.





A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.
"The level of sanity or insanity of the subject matter, determines the level of sanity or insanity of the two-way communication attainable in any discussion."

You can back up that statement (accusation) with proof?

I already have. That's why Arch didn't ask.





A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.
"The level of sanity or insanity of the subject matter, determines the level of sanity or insanity of the two-way communication attainable in any discussion."