Are these 2 items urnes, or wine ewers or neither

[lightwalker]

Hi everyone. Ive posted this before still trying to get some defiante answers, me and my 2 boys found them in a dry creek bed, ive told maybe they are wine ewers but they are sealed completely off at the top inside part of the lip where it would be filled into the belly of the item, but if you shake it there is absolutely substance in both of them in wich feels like powder/ash thats why my wife thinks they might be urnes, can someone help me identify these 2 items, i will add also that there looks as if there was a pedestal that had broke off them. As far as a handle nothing looks broke off the sides. Also how old might they be.




lightwalker

 

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Could be urns,they might of had a separate handle and base piece?

**These were online as "French urn shaped vases"

 

[cw0909]

lightwalker, yours are missing the handle and base, there use
to be a set at esty couldnt find those, found these same thing
garden urns scroll down
Antique Victorian Metal Urn - 11" Tall