Arrowhead. Any idea how old, what kind?

ReganOutdoors · Aug 30, 2019

I found this out at Brown’s Ranch in North Scottsdale. It used to be a Hohokam hunting ground, as well as a site for people pre-dating the Hohokam. I put it back, so I can’t get any additional pics. Was just curious what kind of point and how old? It was laying right on the side of the main trail. I suspect the recent monsoon upended it and carried it there.

Tdog · Aug 30, 2019

Hello Regan,

:nono:

You should go back and get that point mister; ASAP! :laughing7:

Seriously! >:D

Anyway, I'll take a stab at IDing your point and say it's a Middle Archaic, San Jose (5300-3800 YBP). Probably a dart point (spear point if you prefer). Those serrations were more pronounced at one time. Not sure of the material but it could be basalt. Check out the link...

San Jose Projectile Point

Just for the record, I would never put one back.

ReganOutdoors · Aug 30, 2019

Thanks so much for the info Tdog! I wanted to keep it but figured I was going “by the book” in Arizona by putting it back. Are we allowed to surface hunt here? I know exactly where it’s at

Funny thing is I was filming a video for my YouTube channel on Native American sites in AZ when I came across it. I posted on Facebook about the video I’d be posting this weekend, and quite a few Native American people slammed me for even picking it up!? I wasn’t aware it’s that polarizing of a thing to do, especially when it’s sitting right on a mountain biking trail owned by the city.

Tdog · Aug 30, 2019

ReganOutdoors said:
I posted on Facebook about the video I’d be posting this weekend, and quite a few Native American people slammed me for even picking it up!?

Of course they did! If you would have kept it, they would have wanted you to give it to them. Go back and get it if you have permission to. Keep it and clam up!

ReganOutdoors · Aug 30, 2019

Tdog said:
Of course they did! If you would have kept it, they would have wanted you to give it to them. Go back and get it if you have permission to. Keep it and clam up!

Good advice

Yeah, I think some people just want to get offended for the sake of being offended these days.

Tdog · Aug 30, 2019

ReganOutdoors said:
Good advice Yeah, I think some people just want to get offended for the sake of being offended these days.

And that my friend is the rest of the story!

ToddsPoint · Aug 31, 2019

Remember the Jimmy Carter clause? Here it is. Carter made them add the last paragraph. Go get that point! Gary

(d) Any person who knowingly violates, or counsels, procures, solicits, or employs any other person to violate, any prohibition contained in subsection (a), (b), or (c) of this section shall, upon conviction, be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both: Provided, however, that if the commercial or archaeological value of the archaeological resources involved and the cost of restoration and repair of such resources exceeds the sum of $500, such person shall be fined not more than $20,000 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. In the case of a second or subsequent such violation upon conviction such person shall be fined not more than $100,000, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. [16 U.S.C. 470 (ee)(d)](g)

Nothing in subsection (d) of this section shall be deemed applicable to any person with respect to the removal of arrowheads located on the surface of the ground. [16 U.S.C.470 (ee)(g) – a.k.a. The Jimmy Carter Clause]

ReganOutdoors · Aug 31, 2019

Thanks so much for the information Gary! I’m really happy you clarified that! I know exactly where it is

The Grim Reaper · Aug 31, 2019

ReganOutdoors said:
Thanks so much for the info Tdog! I wanted to keep it but figured I was going “by the book” in Arizona by putting it back. Are we allowed to surface hunt here? I know exactly where it’s at
Funny thing is I was filming a video for my YouTube channel on Native American sites in AZ when I came across it. I posted on Facebook about the video I’d be posting this weekend, and quite a few Native American people slammed me for even picking it up!? I wasn’t aware it’s that polarizing of a thing to do, especially when it’s sitting right on a mountain biking trail owned by the city.

Since you said the trail is owned by the city I'm pretty sure that makes it public land so you did the right thing.

https://relicrecord.com/blog/is-it-legal-to-collect-metal-detect-or-dig-for-artifacts/

ReganOutdoors · Aug 31, 2019

The Grim Reaper said:
Since you said the trail is owned by the city I'm pretty sure that makes it public land so you did the right thing.

https://relicrecord.com/blog/is-it-legal-to-collect-metal-detect-or-dig-for-artifacts/

Thanks for the info. Just read the link you provided. We had a nice monsoon the other day. Went to check on where I put it and it’s definitely been washed away. Maybe it’ll get dug up again in a few thousand more years.
There’s no law against picking it up and moving it out of harm’s way right? I had a few people act like that was a horrible thing to do. I think leaving it on a mountain bike trail would be far more destructive. People really get offended easily these days, especially when someone is going above and beyond to be respectful and preserve things.