Camel button

[RJH02]

I found this camel button a few weeks ago, I tried to look it up on line but had no luck, I cant even read the writing on the back of it. Anybody seen one of theese before?

 

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[BuckleBoy]

I have no clue, but I'm looking. It appears to be an earlier 2-piece button though...I'm excited to hear what the final ID of the button is.

I thought your title was wrong...but it looks like a camel to me.


-Buckleboy

 

[al-nm]

guess my eyes are getting bad looks like a constipated cat walking to the left.

 

[Montana Jim]

very much resembles a british livery button

Sure wish you could get that lettering figured out...

 

[RJH02]

I gave it another bath in boiling peroxide and I think it says

Hams & Co
* *
_ _ vine

The stars or whatever they are have a hole or square in the middle?? Thanks

 

[CRUSADER]

very much resembles a british livery button

Sure wish you could get that lettering figured out...

Livery Buttons in my experience are always 1 piece. However I see the similarity. Its clearly mid-late Victorian Era.

 

[mojjax]

Maybe it's a US ARMY CAMEL CORP button .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Camel_Corps

 

[Kiros32]

I gave it another bath in boiling peroxide and I think it says

Hams & Co
* *
_ _ vine

The stars or whatever they are have a hole or square in the middle?? Thanks

Maybe "Wadhams & Co."??

 

[Kiros32]

3/4 of the way down on this site

http://www.corinthrelics.com/buttonsfloraldug.html

Confederate Camel Corp. - Wadhams & Co. ~ 1840s

NICE FIND!

 

[CRUSADER]

3/4 of the way down on this site

http://www.corinthrelics.com/buttonsfloraldug.html

Confederate Camel Corp. - Wadhams & Co. ~ 1840s

NICE FIND!

Good Work

 

[BuckleBoy]

Excellent work on the ID! And a GREAT button

 

[DCMatt]

3/4 of the way down on this site

http://www.corinthrelics.com/buttonsfloraldug.html

Confederate Camel Corp. - Wadhams & Co. ~ 1840s

NICE FIND!

Wow! Never heard of such a thing...

Great research Kiros and SUPER find RJHO2

DCMatt

 

[RJH02]

Thank you guys very much for the I.D. on my button, So far an 1840's button and a 1900 Barber quarter from my favorite hot spot.

 

[Montana Jim]

Yes... outstanding button and ID!

 

[mojjax]

Yes... outstanding button and ID!

I can't Imagine there are many in existance...... Wow!!!

 

[Dave45]

I live close to Camp Verde where the camel corps started work on a ranch just down the road from the old fort my detecter starts singing everytime I drive past the fort

 

[RJH02]

I found it with my Silver umax about 5-6 inches, it gave me a clear signal in discriminate mode set at zinc penny. It laid around in my desk for a while, I really didn't think it would be turn out to be be anything special but boy was I wrong.

 

[AMorgan]

The confederates did NOT use the camels. They were an experiment used by the US army and failed. They were brought into port at Indianola Tx in 1856, then shipped to AZ. They didnt last long because of stubbornness, and not getting along with horses.

The backmark predates the camel corps, and the US army was very particular about regulation uniforms. Most likely the camel corps were issued Eagle C buttons or just plain old eagle buttons.

Plus with the above mentioned website calling it confederate, just proves to show how far stretched he is willing to go to make something out of nothing. The camels were sold off and were out of confederate territory long before the Civil War even started.

It is an interesting find, but I stand behind the livery button theory.

Alan

 

[AMorgan]

Another thing,

The US Army would have contracted through a US button maker over one from the UK.

The most likely candidate would have been Waterbury or Scoville.

Alan

 

[CRUSADER]

The confederates did NOT use the camels. They were an experiment used by the US army and failed. They were brought into port at Indianola Tx in 1856, then shipped to AZ. They didnt last long because of stubbornness, and not getting along with horses.

The backmark predates the camel corps, and the US army was very particular about regulation uniforms. Most likely the camel corps were issued Eagle C buttons or just plain old eagle buttons.

Plus with the above mentioned website calling it confederate, just proves to show how far stretched he is willing to go to make something out of nothing. The camels were sold off and were out of confederate territory long before the Civil War even started.

It is an interesting find, but I stand behind the livery button theory.

Alan

Its unlikely to be a Livery Button.

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/B/buttons.htm

Look at Colcester's Livery Buttons, very few if any are 2 piece types (I have found about 150+, only 1 or 2 are 2 piece). They do exist but I have done a little research on Wadham & Co. they made an Elephant button & maybe other animals. These were unlikely to be for 'titled' families or their servants (or companies) but more a generic 'fun' or 'fashionable' item that Civilian's would buy. It maybe that it was suppose to look like earlier type Livery Button to elevate (look as though they were higher class) the wearer.