Cannon balls and Slate on SE shipwreck

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We have found loads of cannonballs of all different sizes, most recently we raised 20lb balls and it appears to be a very old wreck. Also, we have found many pieces of thin slate. Anyone know why the slate would be on what appears to be a warship. I would guess this dates back to the spanish armada because everything is heavily encrusted. Or is the slate unrelated to the rest
 
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You cannot start a thread like this with no pictures or a story. Come on! ;)
 
LOL Okay, youre right, Im a little unfocused right now. Okay, the photo is of the slate-like peices, there were loads of this stuff in varying sizes, and then in the same area loads of different sized cannon balls. This particular ball war taken off the wreck several years ago and left untreated (thus the condition) We currently have the two large cannonballs soaking in salt water while we research how to treat them. I am open for advice.
The wreck is in the southflorida area on a shallow reef/shoal. the recent cannon balls are approximately 8" diameter and very heavy. I was told they are 20lb balls, but we havent weighed them yet.
 

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RE: Treating Iron Found In Salt Water Locations

First immediate step is to fully immerse the objects in fresh water, (salt water is better than exposure to air, yet the salts are a primary concern and are one of the main elements requiring long term treatment). Next add a PH balance product, Sodium Carbonate, to neutralize the liquid environment and prevent further rapid oxidation. Sodium Carbonate is commonly found in the swimming pool supply department. The amount of Sodium Carbonate to add depends upon the size of the iron objects, as well as the amount of water volume to treat. Sufficient amounts of Sodium Carbonate added, should keep the water rather clear, and prevent the water turning rusty brown from leaching iron oxide. I've generally used about a tablespoon +/- per gallon, and then monitor to see if there is cloudiness after a few days, and add more Sodium Carbonate if needed. This first process is principally a primary stabilization process, prior to a more detailed treatment generally involving extended electrolysis.

The full instructions regarding steps to follow in electrolysis will be quite detailed and requiring more study and description than time allows at the moment. The soaking in fresh water with Sodium Carbonate is a must though, as soon as iron items are recovered, so as to prevent the rapid crumbling once the salts inside the porous iron begin to crystalize. Iron immersed in fresh water with Sodium Carbonate will remain quite stable, even after months or years.

The slate pieces may in fact be roofing slate, carried aboard ship to supply the building trade in areas, as well as provide ballast weight. Spain has long been a primary supplier of roofing slate. During past centuries, ships often carried marketable building supplies such as brick, and stone for ballast, when crossing the oceans to bring other valuable cargoes back to ports.

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Congrats on you finds. You must be diving around England are you? To treat your CBs check out this thread I posted not to long ago. I hate to see history just crumble away so follow the instructions and watch the videos. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/c...64-cleaning-saltwater-finds-electrolysis.html
Can't help you on the slate, perhaps roofing shingles or may be ballast.???
Oh yea, welcome to TN there is a great forum here that focuses on Ship Wreck hunting.
ZDD
 
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I have found a few cannonballs over the years and most had large rust lumps on them etc

I guess I'm a low tech guy , I'll get heat from all the "experts" I'm sure but I got just one question regarding cleaning solid iron balls...do you own a hammer?
 
I didnt see your link to treating CB, we sound these in SE Florida US, I am still unsure about why there would be slate everywhere on what I assume is a heavily armed ship, but I guess the point is that it really doesnt help us with any timeing or details about what were looking at. We did find scattered ballast stones also, but they didnt appear to be near the slate.
 
Those sure look small to be a cannon ball. Did you say some you found were 8"? Did they used to mount that many different caliber cannons on a ship back then?
 
I dont have the exact dimensions on the balls, the recent ones are currently soaking, we havent gotten to them yet. They may be 6" or smaller, but right now they are pretty encrusted. as for the ball that is in the photo, I believe it was around 2 to 3" before it started breaking down. and thats really my point... did they have many different calaber cannons on a ship? Good question.
 
I dont have the exact dimensions on the balls, the recent ones are currently soaking, we havent gotten to them yet. They may be 6" or smaller, but right now they are pretty encrusted. as for the ball that is in the photo, I believe it was around 2 to 3" before it started breaking down. and thats really my point... did they have many different calaber cannons on a ship? Good question.

Yes, they mounted Cannons ranging from 2" to 5" (diameter of the cannon ball) mainly on the railings to repel boarders during a side to side battle! However, some of the larger cannons such as the 5" were loaded with nails and other small metal projectiles to kill and repel as many boarders as possible over a wide spread.


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I didnt see your link to treating CB, we sound these in SE Florida US, I am still unsure about why there would be slate everywhere on what I assume is a heavily armed ship, but I guess the point is that it really doesnt help us with any timeing or details about what were looking at. We did find scattered ballast stones also, but they didnt appear to be near the slate.
Sorry mate, I forgot to attach the link and then I went out metal detecting. So my post has now been edited but I will include it here as well. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/c...64-cleaning-saltwater-finds-electrolysis.html
Is your ship a Navy ship carrying slat or an armed merchent ship?
ZDD
 

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