Cherokee glyphs

[Flipperfla]

Exploring Smoky Mountain NP. Had been to the location before but they were either underwater or covered with scum, this time a scrub brush and bucket of water and better camera. I found the location of the trail markers on a hand drawn map mid 1800s.

 

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[dog the treasure hunter]

Wow nice, thanks for posting the photos Flipper.

 

[Always_Seek_The_Treasure]

Amazing

 

[Flipperfla]

Anyone have knowledge of the meaning of the markings? The stone with the hole is around 3’ across and several hundred pounds. I couldn’t make out any horns or antlers on the animal carving, front looks like a bear, which were everywhere, back looks like the hind quarter of a deer or elk? Domestic livestock?

 

[ArfieBoy]

Interesting finds. I have no knowledge of what they mean, but find them fascinating! Thanks for the pictures and for sharing them!

 

[Dedwards1e@gmail.com]

I know a couple Cherokee Indians and I’ll see what they say. I’ll also go to the Cherokee Cultural Museum and see if they know. Will advise.

 

[PetesPockets55]

Anyone have knowledge of the meaning of the markings? The stone with the hole is around 3’ across and several hundred pounds. I couldn’t make out any horns or antlers on the animal carving, front looks like a bear, which were everywhere, back looks like the hind quarter of a deer or elk? Domestic livestock?

So cool.

When I enlarge you image of the animal there does seem to be something coming out of its head. If not antlers maybe ears? (I thought it looked like a bear till you mentioned the hind legs.)

 

[diabolicalbeans]

What that's really cool, I've been looking for native american mortars like that!

 

[Flipperfla]

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Update:
Did lots of research on the symbols . Couldn’t find anything in the Cherokee alphabet or carvings after pages and pages of pictographs, glyphs, nothing even close. After looking from all different angle and degrees,filters, for hours, I thought I might be looking at them up side down, the more I look at the animal I’m leaning towards a bear, considering the location and lack of antlers.
The one pix with the writing upside down the symbols almost looks like a person the second part looks like a bow and arrow. Now I’m thinking pre Cherokee.
Now what’s really weird we were watching the new oak Island and these guys were looking at carvings on rocks on the beach. The one symbol on the rock looked really similar to the last symbol of letter in the “word”. I jumped up, looked at the wife, and said it looks like the Cherokee symbol, got the eye roll. Rewound the video and paused it on the close up they shot of the rock, pulled up my pix, showed her, she agreed.
Anyone know how to date these?

 

[Steely]

Not sure about the the others, but doesn't tree like carving (left upper right look kind the same?)
I think it might be the symbols for a mine? Interesting pictures.

 

[Flipperfla]

Not sure about the the others, but doesn't tree like carving (left upper right look kind the same?)
I think it might be the symbols for a mine? Interesting pictures.

Thanks so much for the reply. Funny, we were just talking about this post yesterday on the ride home to Orlando from the Smoky Mountains where the glyphs are located, except right now they are 20’ under the water of Fontana Lake. Found several ruins of homesteads from the late 1700 to early 1800s while hiking the trails.
I see what you mean with the symbol, very interesting. There are 2 abandoned mines in the area and both measure 2.7 miles from the location on Google Earth, coincidence? I have been to the one mine, the other is extremely hard to get to, probably 2-3 day hike.
Any ideas on who carved the glyphs you found? Still at a loss at this end, I was starting to think pre Cherokee now with the symbol on the Oak Island show and your glyph, I don’t know. Any Ideas?

 

[Steely]

There is a book by Mary Carson called Treasure Signs and Symbols. That is where we saw it. It is sometimes called " chicken ladder of a pole ladder and was used by the Mexicans , Spanish not sure about the Jesuits. The number of Veras/rungs would indicate how far down to go in a mine .

I see what looks like a cross( maybe 2) in one your pictures. There is a cross on every picture we have (at least that is what we think we see )

Have you consulted anyone in an Archeology Dept. maybe in a college?
We live in Sacramento CA. and years ago had someone from that dept. at Sacramento State College
look at our pictures. His opinion was that were NOT native. He didn't know what to else to think.

Haven't come up with any more ideas.
We pulled out some old slides we looked at showing the Ankh? or Skull? and there is a circle in the face on one side and on the other side some zip zags Now we are more confused, or maybe just seeing things?

On your third picture the three lines may indicate veras. We have them also. One vera then a space and two more lines ( if that is what they indeed are)
Just a thought.

Let me know what you think?

 

[Steely]

Correction book is titled Handbook of Treasure Signs and Symbols Published in 1980

 

[Flipperfla]

Correction book is titled Handbook of Treasure Signs and Symbols Published in 1980

Thanks for the info, will definitely check out the book. I think I wil take your advice and check out some local colleges for info.
When we we hiking the trails, the ones that follow streams we noticed the stones in the creeks have holes worn in them from the water. Now I’m thinking the large hole in the middle of the large rock with the carvings, the “hole” in the middle was done by water not carved. For some reason who ever found the rock must here thought it was special or something and carved the symbols around the hole.
Attached is a pix with examples, thoughts?

 

[Flipperfla]

Correction book is titled Handbook of Treasure Signs and Symbols Published in 1980

Ordered the book a couple days ago, also emailed the Archeology Dept. @ Seminole State, no response yet. Might take an in person visit, only 1-2 miles away.
Thanks again for the info. Will keep you posted if something comes up.

 

[EKG]

Fund this year's back in South America at a major gold-producing area whose workings date to the early days of the Spanish invaders resembles a turtle's back The locals informed me that the answer will be revealed by the moon's reflection in the water, as their forefathers had predicted.

 

[EKG]

Thanks for the info, will definitely check out the book. I think I wil take your advice and check out some local colleges for info.
When we we hiking the trails, the ones that follow streams we noticed the stones in the creeks have holes worn in them from the water. Now I’m thinking the large hole in the middle of the large rock with the carvings, the “hole” in the middle was done by water not carved. For some reason who ever found the rock must here thought it was special or something and carved the symbols around the hole.
Attached is a pix with examples, thoughts?View attachment 2088762

here someone got the book uploaded that maybe helps

 

[sdcfia]

There is a book by Mary Carson called Treasure Signs and Symbols. That is where we saw it. It is sometimes called " chicken ladder of a pole ladder and was used by the Mexicans , Spanish not sure about the Jesuits. The number of Veras/rungs would indicate how far down to go in a mine .

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A true chicken ladder doesn't have rungs, it has notches cut into a straight tree section. Rather than messing with rungs, which require more work and, importantly, secure fasteners, these are much easier to make, more secure and longer lasting. Here's an old Spanish one discovered in the early 20th century at Santa Rita del Cobre in New Mexico in an old sealed adit, along with leather ore bags.

By the way, the Carson book is mostly fantasy treasure lore.

 

[Steely]

Ordered the book a couple days ago, also emailed the Archeology Dept. @ Seminole State, no response yet. Might take an in person visit, only 1-2 miles away.
Thanks again for the info. Will keep you posted if something comes up.

Yeah! Good Luck!!!

 

[Flipperfla]

Reposting to see if anything comes up new. Thanks