Clovis ? Any ideas black obsidian ?

[Eastcoasthunter21]

Hi found on aunts shelf
Any ideas thanks hh gl

 

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[Icewing]

Obsidian Yes
Clovis No

 

[Plug N Play]

Not clovis, but still a fairly nice piece.
This isn't something that would normally be found on the east coast, but came from much further west.
It is interesting because of the asymmetric shape, having only one shoulder.
Roughly falls into a category sometimes called a Sandia, though that term is somewhat dated.

That would make it a very old style, not as old as clovis, but still many thousands of yrs. ago.

It's easy to picture how the stick came up snug against that shoulder while glued and wrapped, probably with sinew.

 

[Tony in SC]

Good looking piece! Not an East Coast point.

 

[TerryC]

Hi found on aunts shelf
Any ideas thanks hh gl

Caution! May have been "knapped" by modern man. You can go to any place to find such replicas. For instance, ask the cashier at the Meteor Crater shop how old and who made their collection of arrowheads and she will tell you that local Indians make them for sale just months ago. Ask Barbara or Russell at Stories In Stone, Angels Camp, CA how old the "Clovis " points in their shop are and they will tell you they were recently made by locals. Here in Quartzsite, you can join the Quartzsite Gem and Mineral Club and take classes on how to knap points like that. I am NOT saying it is a "fake" just saying that it may have been made recently and sold as a tourist curio. Antiquities laws now prohibit selling "real" Clovis points etc. TTC

 

[TerryC]

Virgil does the flint knapping class at the Q Gem club'
TTC

 

[ToddsPoint]

Antiquities laws now prohibit selling "real" Clovis points etc. TTC

What? Says who? That's a new one on me. Please quote a source for your comment. Thanks. Gary

 

[tamrock]

My guess it's a genuine artifact. The hundreds of re-pops I've seen are fashioned into the traditional notched back Christmas tree looking arrowhead, as that's what I believe a tourist would most likely wanna have.

 

[tamrock]

What? Says who? That's a new one on me. Please quote a source for your comment. Thanks. Gary

I think it was made up and announced yesterday, to a guy they saw looking over the ground, like he was looking for something. I've been approached twice now by park and open space rangers who were curious of what I was doing. The second time I asked what are the rules to looking for artifacts? They said it's fine to look to your hearts desire, you just can't remove it from where you found it. Guess all I can do now, is take pictures anymore of what I see, if I wanna show you folks what I found on the ground. The first time I was confronted I was told to stay away from the area, because of burrowing owls and the young fella did say he doubted artifacts could ever be found where I was. I did thank him for bringing that to my attention.

 

[gunsil]

Let us not forget that there are many original ancient obsidian artifacts from the ancient cultures of Mexico and central America. The OP item could also be from that area of the world. Of course they do make a lot of fakes down there but I was able to find nice genuine obsidian artifacts still in/on the ground in the 1960s there.

 

[Kray Gelder]

I think it was made up and announced yesterday, to a guy they saw looking over the ground, like he was looking for something. I've been approached twice now by park and open space rangers who were curious of what I was doing. The second time I asked what are the rules to looking for artifacts? They said it's fine to look to your hearts desire, you just can't remove it from where you found it. Guess all I can do now, is take pictures anymore of what I see, if I wanna show you folks what I found on the ground. The first time I was confronted I was told to stay away from the area, because of burrowing owls and the young fella did say he doubted artifacts could ever be found where I was. I did thank him for bringing that to my attention.

Good grief Tamrock! You have open space rangers? What the? If Colorado has anything, it's open space! What is the West coming to? That made my heart hurt.

 

[TerryC]

What? Says who? That's a new one on me. Please quote a source for your comment. Thanks. Gary

I have no "quote" for you but ask Barb or Russ in Angels Campo CA. Or any other spot that sells indian artifacts. The people at the Holbrook AZ petrified wood shop south of town (on the road going to Petwood Natl Park) also told me such items are no longer legal to sell. It would not be too hard for you to Google up such info. I will help find it for you and report. TTC

 

[Plug N Play]

Antiquities laws now prohibit selling "real" Clovis points etc. TTC

Depends ... your mileage may vary.

You've only got 3 days to get your bids in on this one, but don't worry, there's lots of others.


If you want to do it yourself you could buy a trailer.


... or you can get dirty at one of many pay digs, ... for a little more they'll even dump the dirt on the screens for you.


On eBay, you'll have to select the pre 1600 category.

 

[HuntinDog]

I like that trailer....

 

[tamrock]

Good grief Tamrock! You have open space rangers? What the? If Colorado has anything, it's open space! What is the West coming to? That made my heart hurt.

That we do. I didn't know it and I was pretty far out in some short grass bluffs and happen to look up and saw a tall fella in uniform and smoky hat walking on a hill towards me. He was nice and was keeping an eye out for the little owls, I thought I was the only one of a few maybe that knew they were there. Long long ago there were Antelope and buffalo along with those who hunted them in this area that is now hyperactivity being bulldozed over in order to fill the demand of all the new settlers moving in from around the globe.

 

[TerryC]

I stand corrected.... somewhat. It is Pam and Russ not Barb and Russ. I just talked to her two minutes ago. It is the antiquities act of 1906 that prohibits the retail sale of Indian arrowheads and knapped spear points (Clovis etc) and such. The law is often ignored, she said. Some of her contemporaries have indeed been arrested by the Feds and their businesses destroyed. She also said that authentic Indian artifacts are made by authentic Indians every day! Those wishing to pursue the authentic Indian artifacts auction may make phone calls and I'll bet they will get a rude awakening as to how old these artifacts are. TTC

 

[Tnmountains]

I think it is what is called an ovoid obsidian knife. Post it in the n. American artifacts for a positive I.D

 

[Tnmountains]

I stand corrected.... somewhat. It is Pam and Russ not Barb and Russ. I just talked to her two minutes ago. It is the antiquities act of 1906 that prohibits the retail sale of Indian arrowheads and knapped spear points (Clovis etc) and such. The law is often ignored, she said. Some of her contemporaries have indeed been arrested by the Feds and their businesses destroyed. She also said that authentic Indian artifacts are made by authentic Indians every day! Those wishing to pursue the authentic Indian artifacts auction may make phone calls and I'll bet they will get a rude awakening as to how old these artifacts are. TTC

This is the Federal law and the only one you need to worry about.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/n...ological-resources-protection-act-1979-a.html

 

[A2coins]

Wow this was a good post