Colonial house relic( UPDATE-Great news on this relic)

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

The 3 detectateers had high hopes going into this weeks new spot. It was not to be. Late 1700's early 1800's house. No old coins to speak of but I did find this spoon. It is made of pure silver. I never found a solid silver spoon before. It's very thin and teaspoon size. It has calligraphy letters on the top face. It also has I-M on the back. Anyone out there know their spoons? I would appreciate input.
Thanks
Chris

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

Coin wilver spoon...coin wilver spoon...rah...rah...rah. OOOOF

Snicket

I'll call you later and we can go over future sites.
Zeus

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

Chris,
Congratulations on the spoon...what a great find.
NJ

Thanks man.
Chris

 

[romeo-1]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

 

[vpone]

hey chris,

awesome find, like that you can tie it back to the silversmith who made it, VERY cool

take care,

kevin

 

[Locke]

That's a great spoon find, congrats

 

[pookie-princess of rust]

cool spoon. congrats.

 

[CRUSADER]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

 

[Colonial Zoyboy]

Colonial wilver coin spoon...we're not worthy, you looney biscuit of an oysterboy. OOOOF

 

[Colonial Zoyboy]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

I wouldn't go that far with it. As Jerry Seinfeld once said to George, "I sometimes spell my name with a G and an I."

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson would spell his name like Thomas Iefferson. OOOF

 

[CRUSADER]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

I wouldn't go that far with it. As Jerry Seinfeld once said to George, "I sometimes spell my name with a G and an I."

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson would spell his name like Thomas Iefferson. OOOF

Copied from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2451890


The last letter to be added to the English alphabet was the letter J. Similarly to the evolution of U and V, I and J started out as variations of a single letter. Scribes might put a long tail on a final I if there were a few in a row. For example, Henry the Eighth could be written 'Henry viij'. It was up to the scribe to decide which version of the letter he wanted to use.

 

[CRUSADER]

http://www.tngenweb.org/sullivan/17alph1.htm


This one has it?

I guess they had a choice which to use.

 

[romeo-1]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

Yep...I thought it might be something like that...similar to interchanging "U" and "V"...

 

[Colonial Zoyboy]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

I wouldn't go that far with it. As Jerry Seinfeld once said to George, "I sometimes spell my name with a G and an I."

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson would spell his name like Thomas Iefferson. OOOF

Copied from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2451890


The last letter to be added to the English alphabet was the letter J. Similarly to the evolution of U and V, I and J started out as variations of a single letter. Scribes might put a long tail on a final I if there were a few in a row. For example, Henry the Eighth could be written 'Henry viij'. It was up to the scribe to decide which version of the letter he wanted to use.

This is the mid-1500s. I was talking about late 1790s-1840s.

 

[CRUSADER]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

I wouldn't go that far with it. As Jerry Seinfeld once said to George, "I sometimes spell my name with a G and an I."

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson would spell his name like Thomas Iefferson. OOOF

Copied from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2451890


The last letter to be added to the English alphabet was the letter J. Similarly to the evolution of U and V, I and J started out as variations of a single letter. Scribes might put a long tail on a final I if there were a few in a row. For example, Henry the Eighth could be written 'Henry viij'. It was up to the scribe to decide which version of the letter he wanted to use.

This is the mid-1500s. I was talking about late 1790s-1840s.

I can only guess that the silver smiths followed old traditions. Otherwise how do you exaplain it?

 

[Colonial Zoyboy]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

I wouldn't go that far with it. As Jerry Seinfeld once said to George, "I sometimes spell my name with a G and an I."

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson would spell his name like Thomas Iefferson. OOOF

Copied from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2451890


The last letter to be added to the English alphabet was the letter J. Similarly to the evolution of U and V, I and J started out as variations of a single letter. Scribes might put a long tail on a final I if there were a few in a row. For example, Henry the Eighth could be written 'Henry viij'. It was up to the scribe to decide which version of the letter he wanted to use.

This is the mid-1500s. I was talking about late 1790s-1840s.

I can only guess that the silver smiths followed old traditions. Otherwise how do you exaplain it?

God bless their traditional ways. OOOOF

 

[CRUSADER]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

I wouldn't go that far with it. As Jerry Seinfeld once said to George, "I sometimes spell my name with a G and an I."

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson would spell his name like Thomas Iefferson. OOOF

Copied from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2451890


The last letter to be added to the English alphabet was the letter J. Similarly to the evolution of U and V, I and J started out as variations of a single letter. Scribes might put a long tail on a final I if there were a few in a row. For example, Henry the Eighth could be written 'Henry viij'. It was up to the scribe to decide which version of the letter he wanted to use.

This is the mid-1500s. I was talking about late 1790s-1840s.

I can only guess that the silver smiths followed old traditions. Otherwise how do you exaplain it?

God bless their traditional ways. OOOOF

I'm only guessing but just read this for printed material:
These dual-purpose letters were found in 18th century printed material through the mid-18th century, at which time they began to be replaced by "J" and "U". (It is useful to look at the alphabets on samplers to see if "J" and "U" are present. If not, it may be an indicator that the sampler was created prior to the mid 1700's.)

So for most printers it had died out in 1750s, however them smithys seem to hang on to it the longest

more guesses, it was not uncommon to name your Son or Grandson the same name. Therefore maybe the keeped there 'mark' in the family , Or there was already a J.M recorded as a markers mark so he reverted back to the next closest??

 

[Colonial Zoyboy]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

I think there was no J in the alphabet (or something like that). I get many 17th century tokens with I meaning J.

I wouldn't go that far with it. As Jerry Seinfeld once said to George, "I sometimes spell my name with a G and an I."

Does that mean Thomas Jefferson would spell his name like Thomas Iefferson. OOOF

Copied from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2451890


The last letter to be added to the English alphabet was the letter J. Similarly to the evolution of U and V, I and J started out as variations of a single letter. Scribes might put a long tail on a final I if there were a few in a row. For example, Henry the Eighth could be written 'Henry viij'. It was up to the scribe to decide which version of the letter he wanted to use.

This is the mid-1500s. I was talking about late 1790s-1840s.

I can only guess that the silver smiths followed old traditions. Otherwise how do you exaplain it?

God bless their traditional ways. OOOOF

I'm only guessing but just read this for printed material:
These dual-purpose letters were found in 18th century printed material through the mid-18th century, at which time they began to be replaced by "J" and "U". (It is useful to look at the alphabets on samplers to see if "J" and "U" are present. If not, it may be an indicator that the sampler was created prior to the mid 1700's.)

So for most printers it had died out in 1750s, however them smithys seem to hang on to it the longest

more guesses, it was not uncommon to name your Son or Grandson the same name. Therefore maybe the keeped there 'mark' in the family , Or there was already a J.M recorded as a markers mark so he reverted back to the next closest??

You never cease to amaze me with your datecting finds and extreme knowledge. I love you, buddy!

 

[Colonial Zoyboy]

Zeus,

Since I am John Walter's senior campaign manager, I would like to get the word out. Vote John "Johnny" Walter for President! OOOOF

Change is coming, folks, and John Walter is the one bringing it!

Lemony Snicket

 

[CRUSADER]

Zeus,

Since I am John Walter's senior campaign manager, I would like to get the word out. Vote John "Johnny" Walter for President! OOOOF

Change is coming, folks, and John Walter is the one bringing it!

Lemony Snicket

He should be the old styley - Iohn Walter

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

Nice find...The silver whistle I just found is stamped "IT" and is attributed to Joseph Taylor. Your "IM" spoon is attributed to John McMullen...Did "I" mean "J" during this era...weird...

That's what I thought. It must be so . That silver whistle is top notch.
Chris