Could TB have used Latin?

[chalkoutline]

Hello,
Since TB was well educated and wealthy, he would have attended one of the two high schools in Virginia. Both were started by churches, so he would have learned Latin.

Since Latin uses the same alphabet as English, could TB have numbered a Latin document and then used those numbers to generate an English message?

If treasure hunters have been assuming TB only used English documents, this could explain why not one has been successful.

TB could have generated a message in lesson but there is no indication that Robert Morriss had the ability to read it and why TB would have created an English message.

 

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[achanceforgold]

Hello,
Since TB was well educated and wealthy, he would have attended one of the two high schools in Virginia. Both were started by churches, so he would have learned Latin.

Since Latin uses the same alphabet as English, could TB have numbered a Latin document and then used those numbers to generate an English message?

If treasure hunters have been assuming TB only used English documents, this could explain why not one has been successful.

TB could have generated a message in lesson but there is no indication that Robert Morriss had the ability to read it and why TB would have created an English message.

A good theory.
Perhaps Spanish also since they had travelled to a predominantly Spanish speaking area.

But yes, unlike today. Latin was a requirement.

 

[achanceforgold]

I asked my AI


What were the most popular books in 1810 through 1820?

- Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen (1813) – A timeless novel exploring themes of love, class, and social expectations.
- Frankenstein by Mary Shelley (1818) – A groundbreaking work of science fiction and horror that delves into the consequences of unchecked ambition.
- Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen (1811) – A novel about two sisters navigating love and societal pressures.
- Emma by Jane Austen (1815) – A witty and insightful look at matchmaking and self-discovery.
- Persuasion by Jane Austen (1817) – A story of second chances and enduring love.
- Ivanhoe by Walter Scott (1819) – A historical novel set in medieval England, featuring knights, romance, and adventure.
- The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving (1820) – A famous American folktale about the Headless Horseman.
- History of the Expedition Under the Command of the Captains Lewis and Clark (1814) – A detailed account of the famous exploration of the American West.
These books shaped literature and continue to be celebrated today. Have y



What was the most popular reading material in 1810 through 1820 Virginia?

- The New England Primer – A widely used educational book that taught children both literacy and religious principles.
- History of the Expedition Under the Command of the Captains Lewis and Clark (1814) – A detailed account of the famous exploration of the American West.
- The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving (1820) – A supernatural folktale that gained popularity across the U.S..
- Local newspapers and periodicals – Virginians relied on newspapers for political news, local events, and serialized literature.
- Religious texts and sermons – Many households owned copies of the Bible and other religious writings, which were central to daily life


Now, I personally think the Declaration of Independence is a clue.
1776, The most popular book in 1776, after the Bible was the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbons.

 

[chalkoutline]

I tried using several of them; however, I struggled with numbering the document because books have title pages, toc, preface, intros, ch 1 to ??. So I never knew where and how to number them.

Thus I asked in one post for tips on numbering them.

I would look for books in the libraries of colleges around 1805 to 1810 when TB would have been educated. That is rhetorical because I already know the answer. There are 101 books.

 

[chalkoutline]

I asked my AI


What were the most popular books in 1810 through 1820?

- Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen (1813) – A timeless novel exploring themes of love, class, and social expectations.
- Frankenstein by Mary Shelley (1818) – A groundbreaking work of science fiction and horror that delves into the consequences of unchecked ambition.
- Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen (1811) – A novel about two sisters navigating love and societal pressures.
- Emma by Jane Austen (1815) – A witty and insightful look at matchmaking and self-discovery.
- Persuasion by Jane Austen (1817) – A story of second chances and enduring love.
- Ivanhoe by Walter Scott (1819) – A historical novel set in medieval England, featuring knights, romance, and adventure.
- The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving (1820) – A famous American folktale about the Headless Horseman.
- History of the Expedition Under the Command of the Captains Lewis and Clark (1814) – A detailed account of the famous exploration of the American West.
These books shaped literature and continue to be celebrated today. Have y



What was the most popular reading material in 1810 through 1820 Virginia?

- The New England Primer – A widely used educational book that taught children both literacy and religious principles.
- History of the Expedition Under the Command of the Captains Lewis and Clark (1814) – A detailed account of the famous exploration of the American West.
- The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving (1820) – A supernatural folktale that gained popularity across the U.S..
- Local newspapers and periodicals – Virginians relied on newspapers for political news, local events, and serialized literature.
- Religious texts and sermons – Many households owned copies of the Bible and other religious writings, which were central to daily life


Now, I personally think the Declaration of Independence is a clue.
1776, The most popular book in 1776, after the Bible was the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbons.

BTW, I believe Thomas Beale Jr. Is the grandson of Tavenor Beale who lived in Iron Gate, VA. I summize, TB's document select was inspired by his family's personal library so I scoured nearby libraries for old books and docs. But came up empty. There is an abandoned school in iron gate that may have old books in the basement but never found a way to get access.

 

[achanceforgold]

BTW, I believe Thomas Beale Jr. Is the grandson of Tavenor Beale who lived in Iron Gate, VA. I summize, TB's document select was inspired by his family's personal library so I scoured nearby libraries for old books and docs. But came up empty. There is an abandoned school in iron gate that may have old books in the basement but never found a way to get access.

Here is how i would approach this.

I've done crazier things in my life.
I would write a program to analyze any text from 1776 forward.
Use an AI routine. to generate possible solutions
Google has published millions of books, newspaper articles, magazines that are online.

Second issue, I think the book would of had to be available in Lynchburg. for him to work the cipher out at the time.
Not necessarily something he previously read. But something that was available.

Trying to figure out the actual text used may be an impossible task without a computer doing the work for you.
Even with a computer it will take some time, unless you use parrel processing. Multiple computers analyzing small bits of information.
I know it sounds crazy, but brute computing force is the only way to resolve a near impossible problem.

The concept is not new. Have you heard of SETI at home.
Tens of thousands of people all over the world were downloading a screen saver to analyze the years and years of radio signals in the sky to see if any were from an intelligent source.

I think the only way to solve this is to think big. Collaborate. Try something new.

 

[chalkoutline]

Here is how i would approach this.

I've done crazier things in my life.
I would write a program to analyze any text from 1776 forward.
Use an AI routine. to generate possible solutions
Google has published millions of books, newspaper articles, magazines that are online.

Second issue, I think the book would of had to be available in Lynchburg. for him to work the cipher out at the time.
Not necessarily something he previously read. But something that was available.

Trying to figure out the actual text used may be an impossible task without a computer doing the work for you.
Even with a computer it will take some time, unless you use parrel processing. Multiple computers analyzing small bits of information.
I know it sounds crazy, but brute computing force is the only way to resolve a near impossible problem.

The concept is not new. Have you heard of SETI at home.
Tens of thousands of people all over the world were downloading a screen saver to analyze the years and years of radio signals in the sky to see if any were from an intelligent source.
View attachment 2207289

I think the only way to solve this is to think big. Collaborate. Try something new.

It would be nice to have AI do the work.

 

[chalkoutline]

Here is how i would approach this.

I've done crazier things in my life.
I would write a program to analyze any text from 1776 forward.
Use an AI routine. to generate possible solutions
Google has published millions of books, newspaper articles, magazines that are online.

Second issue, I think the book would of had to be available in Lynchburg. for him to work the cipher out at the time.
Not necessarily something he previously read. But something that was available.

Trying to figure out the actual text used may be an impossible task without a computer doing the work for you.
Even with a computer it will take some time, unless you use parrel processing. Multiple computers analyzing small bits of information.
I know it sounds crazy, but brute computing force is the only way to resolve a near impossible problem.

The concept is not new. Have you heard of SETI at home.
Tens of thousands of people all over the world were downloading a screen saver to analyze the years and years of radio signals in the sky to see if any were from an intelligent source.
View attachment 2207289

I think the only way to solve this is to think big. Collaborate. Try something new.

I do my decryption using Excel so I think i can use AI Spreadsheet to create a gibberish detector to find readable messages without having to shift the text right and left like I did solving cipher 2.

This would be a logical first step for me.

 

[achanceforgold]

I do my decryption using Excel so I think i can use AI Spreadsheet to create a gibberish detector to find readable messages without having to shift the text right and left like I did solving cipher 2.

This would be a logical first step for me.

I use python coding for AI applications.
with python, you can use subroutines from people all over the world.
you don't have to write all the code yourself.

For example, an ANN or CNN neural network is already written, you just need to call the routine to use it.
I think with python, you could write a code.
and as you said, let it detect readable messages with the other ciphers.
it could go out on the web and access any text prior to 1820. test it and see if something makes sense.
let the computer do the work.

 

[achanceforgold]

I've programmed in a lot of different languages and python, in my opinion is the best.
you can use other people's work they have already debugged and tested.

 

[chalkoutline]

I use python coding for AI applications.
with python, you can use subroutines from people all over the world.
you don't have to write all the code yourself.

For example, an ANN or CNN neural network is already written, you just need to call the routine to use it.
I think with python, you could write a code.
and as you said, let it detect readable messages with the other ciphers.
it could go out on the web and access any text prior to 1820. test it and see if something makes sense.
let the computer do the work.

I think the starting point would be to use the uncorrected DOI string; "ihaledeposotedinthecopnttol..."

And then have AI separate and correct the message.
"I have deposited in the county of.."

Once AI can do that, then the next step would be to bring in a text document to remove punctuation, headers, the spaces, etc. Documents before 1820 puts the first word of the next at the bottom. That too needs to be used.

Then do the same for different formats: pdfs, jpgs, etc. There are probably converter to do this that could be leveraged.

 

[chalkoutline]

BTW, I believe Thomas Beale Jr. Is the grandson of Tavenor Beale who lived in Iron Gate, VA. I summize, TB's document select was inspired by his family's personal library so I scoured nearby libraries for old books and docs. But came up empty. There is an abandoned school in iron gate that may have old books in the basement but never found a way to get access.

BTW, I believe Thomas Beale Jr. Is the grandson of Tavenor Beale who lived in Iron Gate, VA. I summize, TB's document select was inspired by his family's personal library so I scoured nearby libraries for old books and docs. But came up empty. There is an abandoned school in iron gate that may have old books in the basement but never found a way to get access.

The old school is a long shot but it is conceivable the personal library of the Beale family could have been donated to school.

The school is part of the school district they still use the maintenance building next door.

 

[achanceforgold]

The old school is a long shot but it is conceivable the personal library of the Beale family could have been donated to school.

The school is part of the school district they still use the maintenance building next door.

that's a cool old building