Dowse a Map?

[floyder]

Hey everyone, brand new to the forums but have recently been turned on to dowsing, and was hoping someone might be willing to give a map a go-over for me. My friend and I have been visiting this area for a few years now and have found a lot of interesting things, including many marked trees, and a couple old tunnel depressions. There's supposedly one or more hidden and gold and silver mines here, but so far we haven't been able to find the entrances. Another friend suggested we look into dowsing to see if it could put us in the right area and while I'm still trying to understand it, it definitely seems worth a shot.

Anyway, was hoping someone might be able to take a look at this and tell me if they see anything. We'd really appreciate it!

 

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[aarthrj3811]

Hey floyder…In the left bottom ¼ of your map I am finding a KGC treasure of gold coins. They are in a 15 foot long man made tunnel with a closed entrance. There is a marked tree near the closed entrance. Look for material that is a different color …Art

 

[Red_desert]

Some Xs in a row is a gold signal, most likely a gold vein. The group of circles with an X, is a good solid signal. Other signals are marked by circles. The Ms plus a line have a possible mine shaft or tunnel marked above.

I was quick scanning just using my dowsing rods on the computer screen.

 

[floyder]

Thanks a lot guys. We'll be heading back out this weekend to do some more searching. I am excited that a couple spots on your dowsing correspond pretty closely to where we think they may be. In particular the area in the middle southern portion of the map that you both pointed out, where we've found quite a few tree symbols that we can't decipher. I'll definitely keep updates going as we keep exploring this area. Thanks again!

 

[teleprospector]

Hello floyder,
I picked up on some targets in or in the vicinity of the circles:

I) Silver outcrop/vein. Picked up weaker signals north and south.
II and III) Small gold and silver coins cache, 1-1/2' deep in small strongbox, about 20lbs. of coins.
IV) Cave/tunnel with circulation of air, entrance concealed.
V and VI) Lost/abandoned gold diggings.
Thanks for posting your picture,
Jon

 

[floyder]

Thanks so much for taking the time to look at this area. It's uncanny to me that you've all seemed to pick up on something in almost the same spot on the southern-central part of the map. I have an old native american hand drawn map from the early part of the 19th century that puts the location of the main mine entrance we're looking for in that same area, literally spot on. It's also interesting that you mention a circulation of air. There's supposedly a second entrance to this mine about 2 miles from the main one we're looking for, which we're hoping has kept the air in the mine moving and safer to explore. It's supposedly a rich old spanish mine from the 1600's, and we know it's somewhere there. It's very well concealed though, and I have a feeling we've walked right by it more than once. This definitely helps to reaffirm though that we're looking in the right spot, and hopefully we'll waste a lot less time now scouring the whole map area.

I have a question though. Can dowsing on site help to find things like concealed tunnels? I use a minelab detector, which is great at finding things like small nuggets, but worthless when it comes to finding concealed, basketball-sized entrances/holes, which I believe is probably what we're looking for. I've never personally tried dowsing before, but I am a strong believer in using every tool available and I don't want to discount one just because I don't understand it.

 

[teleprospector]

Yes, a person can use dowsing to locate concealed entrances.
But it takes time to learn what your instruments are telling you when it points out an area or when you are over top of a void in the ground. Have you dowsed before?
Is there a dowser in your area who you can trust to go into the field with?
Jon

 

[floyder]

No, I have never dowsed before. And frankly, I can't imagine I'd be very good at it. I have a noisy mind.

But unfortunately I also don't know any dowsers in my area. Not to say there aren't any, I just don't know them. Might be something to start looking into I guess. Trust is the key word you used though I think.

If any dowsers here are out West in the Utah/Nevada/Wyoming/Idaho area and feel like joining us to find a literal gold mine, I'd be interested in talking.

 

[teleprospector]

http://www.findadowser.com might help you locate someone.

 

[easttexasdigger]

Floyder, I am pretty new to map dowsing, though I think I have caught on fast. I am not nearly as good as Jon or Art, these guys are money, however I have had pretty good luck so far. Here is the absolute stongest reading I got from your map. As to what it is, I am not that experienced, but my rod kept pulling back to this location so it would be worth a shot to look. Thanks for the post.-Shane

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Floyder..I find that Dowsing rods are the best way to locate tunnels. There are many ways to us the rods. They will act a little different for each of us. If you have a storm drain running in front of your house it will be a good place for you to see how the rods respond for you. Some one told me to hold a auto light bulb in my hand with the rod and see if they would swing when I walked over the storm drain. They did not swing. Then I tried it holding an open gold vile and they worked as usual. I take these test as showing me if there was fresh air in the tunnel or not. I have not had a chance to check this in the field…..Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

Floyder, I am pretty new to map dowsing, though I think I have caught on fast. I am not nearly as good as Jon or Art, these guys are money, however I have had pretty good luck so far. Here is the absolute stongest reading I got from your map. As to what it is, I am not that experienced, but my rod kept pulling back to this location so it would be worth a shot to look. Thanks for the post.-Shane

Hey Shane….You have the idea. You have no idea about what you found but you know something is in the area…Now check your area for meteorites. Try different wordings when asking questions and find which words work the best. On the meteorites I ask for meteorites that are less than a foot deep. When I get the spot marked I go out and see if it is there. We have more meteorites in this area than gold…When I get a reading on shallow meteorites it is usually a debris field with lots of targets…Art

 

[Red_desert]

No, I have never dowsed before. And frankly, I can't imagine I'd be very good at it. I have a noisy mind.

But unfortunately I also don't know any dowsers in my area. Not to say there aren't any, I just don't know them. Might be something to start looking into I guess. Trust is the key word you used though I think.

If any dowsers here are out West in the Utah/Nevada/Wyoming/Idaho area and feel like joining us to find a literal gold mine, I'd be interested in talking.

I have a suggestion...take a camera along to spots you'd like dowsed and then email the photos to a dowser on the forum. It works, get in close to the suspected location with your camera.

 

[floyder]

Hey just got back from our search and wanted to give an update.

We started our search just after dark last night, aided by the full moon, and finished up about noon today. We started our search in the southern part of the map where it seemed the most of you had picked something up.

We found a cache alright...of washers! That's right, our hearts jumped for a minute as we started pulling rusted 3 inch circles out of the ground and immediately thought we'd hit the jackpot of spanish reales...until we remembered that gold doesn't rust.

Over about 20 minutes we pulled just under 25 old rusted washers out of the ground, and definitely could have kept going. Seems someone had dropped their bucket. Besides that we had a few hits, the most exciting being an old wooden shaft broadhead arrow, but unfortunately, not exactly what we were looking for.

We then proceeded to the actual peak at the very southern part of the map, and found an old, long unused and (VERY) ungroomed trail at the top of the peak, which winded part way down the face of the mountain and then abruptly stopped in a boulder field. (This matches the eyewitness account we have of the mine exactly, and until now we've never been able to find the trail.) We are now nearly positive this is the area of the mine. I wish I'd seen Red's post before we'd left or I would have taken some more purposeful pictures of the area. As it stands we videotaped much of the area, and I'll post that and see if I can extract some pictures here soon, as well as a more focused satellite image. We walked the area for the majority of the morning, checking every nook and cranny, but even in such a relatively small area, there are a million and a half places it could be hidden. I even tried a pendulum dowse out of desperation using my flashlight on a string! (We all have to start somewhere, right?)

Surprisingly, something did feel good for the first few questions, which probably could have been better thought out. It went something like this...

Is the Sacred Gold Mine on this mountain? Yes.
Is it East of where we are? No.
Is it West of where we are. Yes.
Is it more than 1/2 mile away. No.
Is it less than 1/4 mile away. Yes.
Is it concealed? Yes.
Can we get to it? Yes.

After that I seemed to lose the flow? and was unable to get any answers, but those first few actually felt pretty good. Whether that was just me fooling myself, or something real, I don't know. But it was fun anyway!

Anyway, while we didn't come home with what we were after once again, it was definitely an exciting and fun trip, and we are one step closer to our find. Thanks again for all of your help, and hopefully we will be able to get back to this area again soon to do more exploring.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey floyder…Some thing to think about when looking for Spanish Treasure is the fact that they dug a lot of Pocket Mines. A lot of Pocket mines are only 20 to 30 feet deep. Most are almost straight up and down. They were covered with brush when they departed. Many were stinger from veins far below. So many of these sites are near to larger mine sites..Art
http://home.earthlink.net/~beowulfinvestments/minefinder/id1.html
http://www.oregongold.net/tag/pocket-mining-prospecting/
http://www.goldgold.com/stories/greatslabs.htm

 

[Red_desert]

When you are in the area of a treasure and get out a pendulum, hold it without asking questions. Try facing different directions. A pendulum can take the place of L-rods. It may just hang their motionless at first. Ask what direction to look. If it swings or rotates and swings a direction...follow the way your pendulum points.

I've added the map with more markings.

There is a possible death trap found also.

 

[Red_desert]

Finished going over the photo again...it has been replaced and updated now, kept getting some signals at times, where now is marked Xs and shaft. I was getting a shaft perhaps for air ventilation. Just checking through the results teleprospector gave, discovered (since updating) that he had the entrance marked for a circulation tunnel...is at the edge of a circle from 1st dowsing left of where shaft Xs are shown.

Seems to be a death trap a short distance from the main concealed entrance, be very careful!