Thanks Jon... I'll keep you guys posted. Was out yesterday and found the general area where Red_Desert suggested, interesting enough it led me to a surveyor stake. It is on the lot line so perhapse a post hole may have some goodies??So now the plan is to grid and run a detector. Kids are loving it!!! I may try some l-rods see what kind of results I get. Never done it before but have researched a bit. Again I'm pretty new at this but have been reading up since about 2008, now I'm basically putting some practice to the theory. Thanks again your time as well as Red's is greatly appreciated.