Eagle Sword Pommel

[SW_PA_Chad]

I found this near a hand pump well at a late 1800's built farm house. I scrubbed it with some baking soda and vinegar thinking it was a cane or flag topper. It was about 6 inches deep. After looking it over, it appears to be the pommel of a sword. Wondered if this looked genuine to the experts out there. I found some other coins and relics in the area. The oldest coin was a fatty indian. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more of the sword. Thanks for looking.

 

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[billb]

That’s a amazing recovery congratulations

 

[oldmxrat]

That a very cool piece, congrats and welcome to Tnet!

 

[Digger RJ]

I found this near a hand pump well at a late 1800's built farm house. I scrubbed it with some baking soda and vinegar thinking it was a cane or flag topper. It was about 6 inches deep. After looking it over, it appears to be the pommel of a sword. Wondered if this looked genuine to the experts out there. I found some other coins and relics in the area. The oldest coin was a fatty indian. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more of the sword. Thanks for looking.
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Very Cool!!!Congrats!!!

 

[CoinsAndThings]

That's really cool! I'm no expert but I don't believe it's a sword pommel. Unless it's maybe a sword cane. To me the angle looks wrong. It would make for an awkward hold. Unless there's a piece missing that would change that.

 

[Red-Coat]

It would be great if this is a sword pommel, but I think it's from a walking cane.

The construction for attachment is the same as for horse hame knobs, with that spur projection and screw hole providing reinforcement against snapping of the wood to which it was attached. It was also a construction used for walking cane handles made in the form of horse hames, but those usually have a relatively plain knob or finial. Eagle-head cane handles more usually have a simple sleeve for attachment (or are threaded). I haven't seen a cane handle which combines both the eagle head and the hame-type attachment, but wouldn't doubt that they exist.

if you Google "horse hame knob" and "hame walking stick" you'll see where I'm coming from.

 

[Florida Finder]

I found this near a hand pump well at a late 1800's built farm house. I scrubbed it with some baking soda and vinegar thinking it was a cane or flag topper. It was about 6 inches deep. After looking it over, it appears to be the pommel of a sword. Wondered if this looked genuine to the experts out there. I found some other coins and relics in the area. The oldest coin was a fatty indian. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more of the sword. Thanks for looking.
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Beautiful recovery! Keep us posted on the ID

 

[Gare]

NIce find Thanks for sharing

 

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Congrats! That’s a great piece. I found a similar design in Allegheny County a few years back at an old cellar hole, but it had a round opening and ended up being a CW officers saddle pommel. Yours definitely looks like CW sword pommel to me!

 

[Sandog]

I found this near a hand pump well at a late 1800's built farm house. I scrubbed it with some baking soda and vinegar thinking it was a cane or flag topper. It was about 6 inches deep. After looking it over, it appears to be the pommel of a sword. Wondered if this looked genuine to the experts out there. I found some other coins and relics in the area. The oldest coin was a fatty indian. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more of the sword. Thanks for looking.
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Could this piece not have attached to the palmer surface of a sword handle/grip? Beautiful find no matter what it turns out to be.

 

[detectorcowboy]

Nice find

 

[SW_PA_Chad]

Congrats! That’s a great piece. I found a similar design in Allegheny County a few years back at an old cellar hole, but it had a round opening and ended up being a CW officers saddle pommel. Yours definitely looks like CW sword pommel to me!

Thanks. I would love to see the saddle pommel you found if you get a chance to post it. I'm in the same area.

 

[SW_PA_Chad]

It would be great if this is a sword pommel, but I think it's from a walking cane.

The construction for attachment is the same as for horse hame knobs, with that spur projection and screw hole providing reinforcement against snapping of the wood to which it was attached. It was also a construction used for walking cane handles made in the form of horse hames, but those usually have a relatively plain knob or finial. Eagle-head cane handles more usually have a simple sleeve for attachment (or are threaded). I haven't seen a cane handle which combines both the eagle head and the hame-type attachment, but wouldn't doubt that they exist.

if you Google "horse hame knob" and "hame walking stick" you'll see where I'm coming from.

Thanks for the informative reply. It is very similar to a horse hame. I'm pretty sure I have it figured out. I will post some more pictures later.

 

[pa-dirt_nc-sand]

Thanks. I would love to see the saddle pommel you found if you get a chance to post it. I'm in the same area.

This one was found 10 miles south of Pittsburgh. SW PA is a great place to metal detect. Lots of history here.

 

[SW_PA_Chad]

This one was found 10 miles south of Pittsburgh. SW PA is a great place to metal detect. Lots of history here.

Wow. That's an amazing find. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Bamasteve]

Awesome find!

 

[BuckleBoy]

The distinguishing feature of an eagle sword pommel is the place where the knuckle bow connected under the beak of the eagle. Walking stick toppers will never have a hole there.

Your eagle sword pommel is German made, 1820-1840 period. I recommend the following books, one of which is specifically about eagle sword pommels:

E. Andrew Mowbray's Eagle Pommel Swords: the early years

and his son's work with Norm Flayderman: The Medicus Collection

Congrats, it’s a great find.

 

[SW_PA_Chad]

The distinguishing feature of an eagle sword pommel is the place where the knuckle bow connected under the beak of the eagle. Walking stick toppers will never have a hole there.

Your eagle sword pommel is German made, 1820-1840 period. I recommend the following books, one of which is specifically about eagle sword pommels:

E. Andrew Mowbray's Eagle Pommel Swords: the early years

and his son's work with Norm Flayderman: The Medicus Collection

Congrats, it’s a great find.

Wow thanks. Appreciate the id! I will check out the books you mention.

 

[callmez]

E. Andrew Mowbray's Eagle Pommel Swords: the early years

A really superb book and absolutely the go-to for identifying your find. There are a few more general books on American swords that might be helpful (including the Mowbray/Flayderman book) but BuckleBoy is correct about the general time frame and that eliminates the books on Rev War and Civil War swords and makes the others more of a longshot. The Eagle Pommel Swords book is the one you want -- perhaps you can get it through interlibrary loan?

 

[WannaDig3687]

Really neat find. Congratulations 🎊🎈