emerald brooch

[dscott67]

I found this metal detecting within a 30 ft radius of 2 indians 1880 and 1896,1857 o quarter and would like to have it tested.I can't seem to make myself dismantle the stone because it is a 2 piece frame with 2 pressed flat hooks on the back.i will have to break off the other flower and the 2 hooks to remove it.The gold tested a weak 14ct to a completely strong 10ct,so my assumption is maybe 12ct...the stone may or may not be real.i have read a couple of articles which indicated that there was a time period in the 1800's with some jewelry makers not making there marks on there work due unknown reasons to me (i'm not a jewelry specialist) any info would be helpful ! thanks..

 

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[mamabear]

Don't break the flower off! leave it as is & take it to a pawn shop or jewelers. they will be able to tell you what it is, & maybe clean it up for you. It's a nice piece, & would be ashame to to break it needlessly. take a look at it through a magnifying glass & check for bubbles. if there are bubbles you know it's glass, if not I would take it in to someone.

 

[dscott67]

Don't break the flower off! leave it as is & take it to a pawn shop or jewelers. they will be able to tell you what it is, & maybe clean it up for you. It's a nice piece, & would be ashame to to break it needlessly. take a look at it through a magnifying glass & check for bubbles. if there are bubbles you know it's glass, if not I would take it in to someone.

i did not see any bubbles but there is a tiny chip on the corner.it has 6 cuts/facets on the sides and 6 on the ends,a flat top and bottom i suppose.i thought there may be a makers mark on the bottom of the 2nd piece under the stone but most likely not.....thanks for anserwing

 

[Tuberale]

Might be authentic.

The stone cut is called "emerald" cut. Suggestive, no?

 

[dscott67]

Might be authentic.

The stone cut is called "emerald" cut. Suggestive, no?

yes it is!i think it is an emerald but thats my oppinion ,and i thank u for pointing that out because i do not know specific cuts and what they mean.

 

[Tuberale]

Do you take requests? Can you post another photo with a quarter, nickel, dime or other common coin in the photo.

One of the reasons I think the piece is authentic is the setting: looks like a one-of-a-kind, probably hand-made just for this piece.

Have you considered cleaning the piece with acetone? Acetone removes ONLY organic material, which might make any inscriptions on the setting more visible. Use a Q-tip dipped in acetone to remove any organic tarnish from the setting and stone. If the Q-tip turns color quickly, use more. Q-tips are cheap. Personally, I don't think the stone requires additional cleaning, but that's just me.

If you happen to notice any other markings on the setting, we need to see those as well.

 

[dscott67]

Do you take requests? Can you post another photo with a quarter, nickel, dime or other common coin in the photo.

One of the reasons I think the piece is authentic is the setting: looks like a one-of-a-kind, probably hand-made just for this piece.

Have you considered cleaning the piece with acetone? Acetone removes ONLY organic material, which might make any inscriptions on the setting more visible. Use a Q-tip dipped in acetone to remove any organic tarnish from the setting and stone. If the Q-tip turns color quickly, use more. Q-tips are cheap. Personally, I don't think the stone requires additional cleaning, but that's just me.

If you happen to notice any other markings on the setting, we need to see those as well.

ok,i'll pick up some tomorrow (acetone) and i have done some research related to your previous post..on the mineral and gem kingdom site this paticular cut on this stone i think according to them is called a "baguette cut"?,but i can't make out the # of facets.mine has 24 facets and is 1.427 cm long,1.110 cm w,.500 cm height,slope is.640 cm,,, and here some more photos !! thanks-a-mill !!

 

[Tuberale]

I believe baguette refers to the shape of the stone, emerald cut refers to how the stone was faceted.

I think it may be time to take the stone to a gemologist for authentication, also.

 

[dscott67]

I believe baguette refers to the shape of the stone, emerald cut refers to how the stone was faceted.

I think it may be time to take the stone to a gemologist for authentication, also.

i think your right,but am i confusing cuts with styles? because the E cut referred to the corners being cropped and the B cut had straight corners ? anyway,your advice to see a gemologist is well taken and i will post the results whether good or bad !! thanks Again

 

[Chug And Red]

I believe baguette refers to the shape of the stone, emerald cut refers to how the stone was faceted.

I think it may be time to take the stone to a gemologist for authentication, also.

i think your right,but am i confusing cuts with styles? because the E cut referred to the corners being cropped and the B cut had straight corners ? anyway,your advice to see a gemologist is well taken and i will post the results whether good or bad !! thanks Again

Take it in, please! It is a beautiful peice, and most jewelers will clean it for free and check it out for you! We have a place we go to all the time, they love seeing what we found, and they always clean what we bring in for free! So in doubt, get it checked out, and DON'T BREAK IT!!!! If it is handmade, it will not be easy to find!!!! Red

 

[dscott67]

I believe baguette refers to the shape of the stone, emerald cut refers to how the stone was faceted.

I think it may be time to take the stone to a gemologist for authentication, also.

i think your right,but am i confusing cuts with styles? because the E cut referred to the corners being cropped and the B cut had straight corners ? anyway,your advice to see a gemologist is well taken and i will post the results whether good or bad !! thanks Again

Take it in, please! It is a beautiful peice, and most jewelers will clean it for free and check it out for you! We have a place we go to all the time, they love seeing what we found, and they always clean what we bring in for free! So in doubt, get it checked out, and DON'T BREAK IT!!!! If it is handmade, it will not be easy to find!!!! Red oh it's kept in a "safe" place,and i'm hoping they can assess it without dismantling it,,i'm leaning towards replating it with 14ct,i have about 19-20 grams of it to use in that ct,,is that a good idea?

 

[Chug And Red]

I believe baguette refers to the shape of the stone, emerald cut refers to how the stone was faceted.

I think it may be time to take the stone to a gemologist for authentication, also.

i think your right,but am i confusing cuts with styles? because the E cut referred to the corners being cropped and the B cut had straight corners ? anyway,your advice to see a gemologist is well taken and i will post the results whether good or bad !! thanks Again

Take it in, please! It is a beautiful peice, and most jewelers will clean it for free and check it out for you! We have a place we go to all the time, they love seeing what we found, and they always clean what we bring in for free! So in doubt, get it checked out, and DON'T BREAK IT!!!! If it is handmade, it will not be easy to find!!!! Red oh it's kept in a "safe" place,and i'm hoping they can assess it without dismantling it,,i'm leaning towards replating it with 14ct,i have about 19-20 grams of it to use in that ct,,is that a good idea?

Get it checked out first to see what it is made of, ask a jeweler about replating it, sometimes it can be worth it, but it can be expensive to do that. Find out everything you can, then decide where to go from there! Keep us posted please, you have something great there!!!! Red

 

[dscott67]

I believe baguette refers to the shape of the stone, emerald cut refers to how the stone was faceted.

I think it may be time to take the stone to a gemologist for authentication, also.

i think your right,but am i confusing cuts with styles? because the E cut referred to the corners being cropped and the B cut had straight corners ? anyway,your advice to see a gemologist is well taken and i will post the results whether good or bad !! thanks Again

Take it in, please! It is a beautiful peice, and most jewelers will clean it for free and check it out for you! We have a place we go to all the time, they love seeing what we found, and they always clean what we bring in for free! So in doubt, get it checked out, and DON'T BREAK IT!!!! If it is handmade, it will not be easy to find!!!! Red oh it's kept in a "safe" place,and i'm hoping they can assess it without dismantling it,,i'm leaning towards replating it with 14ct,i have about 19-20 grams of it to use in that ct,,is that a good idea?

Get it checked out first to see what it is made of, ask a jeweler about replating it, sometimes it can be worth it, but it can be expensive to do that. Find out everything you can, then decide where to go from there! Keep us posted please, you have something great there!!!! Redi would like for you guys to know that i take advice and oppinions from this site seriously,i have been trying to locate a reputable gemologist/jeweler for a few days now and can't decide who to use being i did not want a jewel monger to handle my find!so,i will be posting the analysis sometime this week if not the end of the week.. i really do thank you,i'm really grateful that anyone is interested in the outcome !!

 

[Tuberale]

BTW, I just compared your stone's size to a known 1.01ct diamond, and I believe your stone may be much larger: in the 2-3 ct. range. Quality emeralds are 10x rarer than diamonds, so if real, your stone could be worth BIG $$$$$.

 

[dscott67]

BTW, I just compared your stone's size to a known 1.01ct diamond, and I believe your stone may be much larger: in the 2-3 ct. range. Quality emeralds are 10x rarer than diamonds, so if real, your stone could be worth BIG $$$$$.

i have done a rough measurement in mm and cm and may be off a little due to i don't have a mic.meter and according to the conversion chart it came out to a rough estimate of 5.70 ct,,,i hope it's close to that,if it is i will probably have a stroke,,,lol

 

[Chug And Red]

BTW, I just compared your stone's size to a known 1.01ct diamond, and I believe your stone may be much larger: in the 2-3 ct. range. Quality emeralds are 10x rarer than diamonds, so if real, your stone could be worth BIG $$$$$.

i have done a rough measurement in mm and cm and may be off a little due to i don't have a mic.meter and according to the conversion chart it came out to a rough estimate of 5.70 ct,,,i hope it's close to that,if it is i will probably have a stroke,,,lol

LOL I would too! Emeralds that size are very hard to find! Either way you look at it, you have a gorgeous piece there, and it is something I would wear, it looks old, and handmade, I cannot wait to see what you can find out about it. If you have a mall nearby, try that, and try antique stores too if you know of any! Red

 

[dscott67]

BTW, I just compared your stone's size to a known 1.01ct diamond, and I believe your stone may be much larger: in the 2-3 ct. range. Quality emeralds are 10x rarer than diamonds, so if real, your stone could be worth BIG $$$$$.

i have done a rough measurement in mm and cm and may be off a little due to i don't have a mic.meter and according to the conversion chart it came out to a rough estimate of 5.70 ct,,,i hope it's close to that,if it is i will probably have a stroke,,,lol

LOL I would too! Emeralds that size are very hard to find! Either way you look at it, you have a gorgeous piece there, and it is something I would wear, it looks old, and handmade, I cannot wait to see what you can find out about it. If you have a mall nearby, try that, and try antique stores too if you know of any! Red as a matter of fact it will be in route tomorrow morning when i go to work,were are going to see someone about it at lunch,so wish me luck,it could'nt have come at a better time i think..so if you here a about a man dieing due to spontaneous combustion from excitement in clinton,ms..... it's most likely me !!

 

[Chug And Red]

BTW, I just compared your stone's size to a known 1.01ct diamond, and I believe your stone may be much larger: in the 2-3 ct. range. Quality emeralds are 10x rarer than diamonds, so if real, your stone could be worth BIG $$$$$.

i have done a rough measurement in mm and cm and may be off a little due to i don't have a mic.meter and according to the conversion chart it came out to a rough estimate of 5.70 ct,,,i hope it's close to that,if it is i will probably have a stroke,,,lol

LOL I would too! Emeralds that size are very hard to find! Either way you look at it, you have a gorgeous piece there, and it is something I would wear, it looks old, and handmade, I cannot wait to see what you can find out about it. If you have a mall nearby, try that, and try antique stores too if you know of any! Red as a matter of fact it will be in route tomorrow morning when i go to work,were are going to see someone about it at lunch,so wish me luck,it could'nt have come at a better time i think..so if you here a about a man dieing due to spontaneous combustion from excitement in clinton,ms..... it's most likely me !!

My fingers are crossed you get good news, please keep us posted!!!!! Red

 

[dscott67]

BTW, I just compared your stone's size to a known 1.01ct diamond, and I believe your stone may be much larger: in the 2-3 ct. range. Quality emeralds are 10x rarer than diamonds, so if real, your stone could be worth BIG $$$$$.

i have done a rough measurement in mm and cm and may be off a little due to i don't have a mic.meter and according to the conversion chart it came out to a rough estimate of 5.70 ct,,,i hope it's close to that,if it is i will probably have a stroke,,,lol

LOL I would too! Emeralds that size are very hard to find! Either way you look at it, you have a gorgeous piece there, and it is something I would wear, it looks old, and handmade, I cannot wait to see what you can find out about it. If you have a mall nearby, try that, and try antique stores too if you know of any! Red as a matter of fact it will be in route tomorrow morning when i go to work,were are going to see someone about it at lunch,so wish me luck,it could'nt have come at a better time i think..so if you here a about a man dieing due to spontaneous combustion from excitement in clinton,ms..... it's most likely me !!

My fingers are crossed you get good news, please keep us posted!!!!! Red

Well,i have Bad news... it's Glass,and i would not have believed it unless he had not showed me 2 extremely tiny bubbles,in fact we removed it from the setting so we could get a better look at it and BAM!! he showed me the old tin-foil which was close to not tinfoil anymore on the back which i had no idea it was there due to the dirt and trash that was in it,but anyway thanks for the support and truthfully it's par for the course for my par exsistence !! lol my sincere gratitude to chug and red and tuberale

 

[Tuberale]

Bummer! Sorry to hear the bad news. Just my curiosity, but what did the setting look like once the stone was removed? Does it still look greenish? That would indicate at least some copper content to me.