Field Test: The RLR by Mike (Mont)

[teleprospector]

As a user, collector, designer and builder of electronic and non electronic locating instruments I finally ordered the RLR (Revelation Locator Rod). The package arrived intact and contained 4 pieces to the locator; the antennae, 2 stabilizer rods and the handle. The unit's handle contains an amplifier/power load. Assembling the unit was easy, just attach the antennae to the blue mechanism and slide the stabilizers onto the stems at the bottom of the handle. The weight of the unit was not distracting to me.
I found the unit's best sensitivity and balance when the antennae is attached just in front of the small circle twist on the antennae. I used the back coil of the antennae as a rear witness/sample chamber by simply inserting a silver dime or a folded up U.S. dollar bill between the coil windings. You could always tape or paper clip your sample to the coil also.
Design with the beginner in mind:
Most people are uncomfortable using a one hand locator beacause the feel better "balanced" holding onto two. Not so with this unit. It remained very stable with the stabilizers on as I swept it in a circle. Once you become comfortable then you can always take the stabilizers off.
Please keep in mind that I tested this unit as a DIRECTIONAL LOCATOR using the sweep method. This means that I baited the unit and let it work to the test targets without any mind influence. The sweep method is simply holding the unit in the proper position, with the antennae pointed forward and watching for a lock response while turning your upper body slowly in a circle for as far as you can without moving your feet. Once you get a response go past it a bit then sweep back in the other direction to lock it in.
The tests below were "AIR TESTS". Some users during practice may find these range tests shorter/further than what I recorded, as individual body response using the unit will vary.
Bait: 1 1964 silver dime
Range results:
1 silver dime 45'
1 silver quarter 65'
1 silver half 90'
1 silver dollar 130'
Pint size glass jar of mixed silver coins 1,200'

Bait: 1 U.S. dollar bill
Range results:
1/4" stack of mixed bills in glass jar 200'

As a DOWSING locator:
I found the RLR very smooth, lightweight and sensitive while using it for map/photo work.

Contact Mike (Mont) with any further questions.
Jon

 

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[Mike(Mont)]

I just wanted to mention a couple things. The Revelation Locator Rod (RLR) has mainly been used by most people to locate or "reveal" (thus the name Revelation) the signal line from a frequency generator to a target. Some people, including Teleprospector, have used it exclusively as a dowsing rod. I don't consider myself a dowser but I have been able to locate a test target in my yard doing so. One dowser uses it exclusively upside-down. They attached a round bubble level on the bottom. I have used it that way at times (minus the bubble level), and it does de-tune it somewhat. What I have noticed is everyone who owns one has their own way of using it.

I want to thank Teleprospector for his field report. I knew he was going to write one and he even asked me a couple questions about what he might include. I said it wouldn't be right if I told him what to write. So I never saw it until he posted it here. Thanks.

 

[Mike(Mont)]

Just one more note. I know some people might not agree with this, but using a frequency generator isn't all that different from not using one. I call it an "electronic witness". The signal line is as near as I can tell identical to what Abbe Mermet (and others) refers to as the "union ray" only it is more amplified.

 

[An Ri Rua]

Nice work Mike and Jon.

The mere fact that you have referenced Abbe Mermet here and are attempting to grapple with his paradigm-shifting work should be an intellectual warning shot to neanderthal sceptics.

Note SWR that I did not say scientific, I said intellectual. Any true knowledge loving sceptic reading should attempt to explore the work of Abbe Mermet (and to a lesser extent Abbe Bouly) and see if the doors of perception open just a tad. He is documented by the highest sceptical authority in the land, the Catholic Church, not known for endorsing what was then seen as akin to witchcraft in law.
I do not wish to take from Jon's tests here (and Mike's work of love) so any sceptically-minded inquisitives, feel free to pm me and I shall pass on links. This thread is not the forum for more paint-by-numbers with the sceptically challenged.

 

[boogeyman]

Nice work Mike and Jon.

The mere fact that you have referenced Abbe Mermet here and are attempting to grapple with his paradigm-shifting work should be an intellectual warning shot to neanderthal sceptics.

Note SWR that I did not say scientific, I said intellectual. Any true knowledge loving sceptic reading should attempt to explore the work of Abbe Mermet (and to a lesser extent Abbe Bouly) and see if the doors of perception open just a tad. He is documented by the highest sceptical authority in the land, the Catholic Church, not known for endorsing what was then seen as akin to witchcraft in law.
I do not wish to take from Jon's tests here (and Mike's work of love) so any sceptically-minded inquisitives, feel free to pm me and I shall pass on links. This thread is not the forum for more paint-by-numbers with the sceptically challenged.

the sceptically challenged.

I love the term! Can I use it?

 

[An Ri Rua]

Boogeyman, I'd be honoured :-D

There are many great sceptical minds, and have been throughout history. What we have on here is a special breed though: - the closet intellectuals !

 

[boogeyman]

I'll give one back. A couple of friends & I call some people YABUTTs. No matter what you say or proof you show them they always say "Yeah but..............."

 

[Mike(Mont)]

Just thought I should give an update here. The Revelation Locator Rod was not designed for beginners. It might be too sensitive, but if you work with it, you will improve your rod technique. It wasn't designed for dowsing either. It was designed to locate MFD-type signal lines, but it does work great for map dowsing, and I have used it to locate targets "free hand".

I heard someone located a cement (or concrete?) vault and they said the Revelation Rod was among the equipment they used. What I heard was the vault was 80 feet down and there is "metal" inside. Like most discoveries, I don't suspect I will hear much more about it. I don't even know who found it.

 

[boogeyman]

Thanks for the update! It's always great to see others results even if you have to wade through the skeptics. Regards to the vault. Good to see someone learned to keep their mouths shut, sad to miss the information from the find.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~SWR~

"Hello TH'rs, Just lately ,I hit a sealed japanese chamber using the LRL 500 with MFD.It was 80 ft from the top of the tunnel and 20 ft. from the ground level where the tunnel's entrance was. I did not expect it was a chamber . My frequency was tune to Gold at low freq..So my simple advice,, keep practising in your gadget as what I did. I did'nt bought expensive stuff . For me, be familiar and master your tools before digging. My finds were located in central Mindanao."[/quote]

Sounds like good advice to me….Art

 

[boogeyman]

SWr,

You say another I found it but didn't dig it up story. Were you there to validate the find was never recovered? Did you do any investigating to determine if the find was never truly recovered, or if a find was made & recovered, but the finder wasn't going to report it found. Sure glad the skeptical skeptics are out there to validate things for us. I gotta give credit to Randi & his gang. None of them are as negative & condescending as you.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~boogeyman~

You say another I found it but didn't dig it up story. Were you there to validate the find was never recovered? Did you do any investigating to determine if the find was never truly recovered, or if a find was made & recovered, but the finder wasn't going to report it found. Sure glad the skeptical skeptics are out there to validate things for us. I gotta give credit to Randi & his gang. None of them are as negative & condescending as you.

Bingo….You hit the nail square on the head….Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

~SWR~

Investigating? You bet! SWR is probably the foremost Yamash.ita treasure investigator in the United States!(self-proclaimed, of course)
News flash...it doesn't take a skeptic to recognize a scam. Give as much credit to James Randi as you wish. However, I seriously doubt he has heard of the Yamash.ita treasure scams in the Philippines.

Did anyone notice that SWR can not follow the forum Rules…

This forum is limited to the discussion of simple, inexpensive (or FREE!) devices and techniques. That means NO discussion of electrical devices of any kind. Feel free to discuss L-rods, Spanish dip needles, map dowsing, and other dowsing related subjects.

 

[boogeyman]

~SWR~

Investigating? You bet! SWR is probably the foremost Yamash.ita treasure investigator in the United States!(self-proclaimed, of course)
News flash...it doesn't take a skeptic to recognize a scam. Give as much credit to James Randi as you wish. However, I seriously doubt he has heard of the Yamash.ita treasure scams in the Philippines.

Did anyone notice that SWR can not follow the forum Rules…

This forum is limited to the discussion of simple, inexpensive (or FREE!) devices and techniques. That means NO discussion of electrical devices of any kind. Feel free to discuss L-rods, Spanish dip needles, map dowsing, and other dowsing related subjects.

I'm still trying to get a straight answer to my question that has been put to him over and over. Why doesn't dowsing work? If it DOESN'T work show me some valid fact or documentation proving it doesn't work. As with ALL of his replies he can not come up with any. I truly feel sorry for SWR. Negative condescending people are sad. I'm sure glad he's in the minority. If this world weren't graced with open minded people willing to go out & try their ideas and research them we'd still be cutting our meat with a chip of rock.

His twist that just because a find hasn't been broadcast to the world is actually kind of funny. I'm sure that most large finds won't be reported due to all the money hungry grubbers trying to get their share. I've asked several of the people I hunt with if they would report a large find. None of them would. So, does that absolutely prove we've BEVER made a large find? Don't think so..........

 

[aarthrj3811]

~SWR~Dowsing was discredited by Science....years ago. Its not really my job, or position to educate you on these matters. Sad...? Nope. Educated.
So…Why are you here?
~SWR~

Hey...if you guys wanna go out and "find" treasure with sticks, bent coat hangers and the like...I say knock yourself out! Have a great time, and enjoy the outdoors. However, once a manufacture adds silly pseudoscience claims that his product can miraculously find treasure....I feel obliged to add my two-cents

.
Yes we will enjoy our selves
~SWR~

Now....I've notice you quoted Art accusing me of not following the forum rules (I have them on ignore, for obvious reasons)....

Because he can not answer easy questions.
Sorry people..he is my troll to deal with…Art

It is a common psychological problem in that insecure people tend to project their personal deficiencies unto another in self defense, they are sure trying to pass theirs lack of knowledge over to you

 

[boogeyman]

If SWR has most of the people on this sub on ignore, and thinks dowsing is a complete waste of time why is he here? Kind of reminds you of the kid no one wanted to play with in school, he'd just sit on the sidelines throw rocks and whine to get attention. Sad.............

SWR, why ARE you wasting your valuable time? Are you trying to force everyone to follow your beliefs? The only scientific tests I've seen or read concerning dowsing were so loaded the partipicants were doomed to fail under those conditions. Once again I ask, why doesn't dowsing work? Please enlighten me! Can you show me some documentation or true scientific evidence it doesn't work?

Hopefully to get this thread back on the rails. Mike I hope you will still update, and the others with positive input. There are some of us who are interested in learning.

 

[Mike(Mont)]

Maybe I missed something here. I thought the skeptic definition of a dowsing rod is anything that has a swingy thing. Well, I would say the Revelation Rod fits that category.

 

[boogeyman]

What the heck does it matter what tool you use, as long as you feel comfortable using it & it gets the job done?

Any new updaates Mike?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~boogeyman~

What the heck does it matter what tool you use, as long as you feel comfortable using it & it gets the job done?

Correct..I will use any and all tools that are available to me to find Treasure..That’s my story and there is no need to argue with me…Art

 

[Mike(Mont)]

I like the words to this song.