Finally found a state copper (two of them!!)

[kray]

Earlier this week I hit a cellar hole area that I'd been to several times. Up until now, I'd had no luck; just a couple of ox knobs. I got lucky, though, and found not just my first state copper, but my second as well. This was over two days. I dug a Mass cent and either a Vertmonts or Vermontis copper. I'd love some help with grading these coins. I will never sell them, but wouldn't mind learning their value, too. Family and friends keep assuming they're worth thousands. I'm feeling like maybe a hundred or so. I've tooth picked them but haven't waxed them yet. Any help would be appreciated.

 

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[huntsman53]

I believe what you have is a Massachusetts Cent produced 1787 and 1788 and a Vermont Copper produced 1785 and 1786.


Frank

 

[coinsareawesome]

But it's still cool!

 

[Iron Patch]

When posting coins for ID / Info./ Value, you have to show both sides. That said, just seeing the Vermont obverse (as you know) it's 1785, and either Ryder 2, 3, or 4, and given the rarest of the three is just listed as rare (Ryder 3), being dug and in the condition your coin is it wouldn't bring very much, and a little less if it's one of the other 2. So your friends are a little too excited... but you definitely want to always ID these because one in VG condition just sold on ebay for almost $30,000.



All three possibilities for your coins did not share dies, so any detail you can see on the reverse would help to make the case for which you have.

 

[kray]

Some new, more detailed, pix.

When posting coins for ID / Info./ Value, you have to show both sides. That said, just seeing the Vermont obverse (as you know) it's 1785, and either Ryder 2, 3, or 4, and given the rarest of the three is just listed as rare (Ryder 3), being dug and in the condition your coin is it wouldn't bring very much, and a little less if it's one of the other 2. So your friends are a little too excited... but you definitely want to always ID these because one in VG condition just sold on ebay for almost $30,000.




All three possibilities for your coins did not share dies, so any detail you can see on the reverse would help to make the case for which you have.

Thanks, Iron Patch, for your information and knowledge. I don't expect the coins are worth too much, just looking for an answer to the inevitable questions I get.
Attached are a few shots of the coins that have been cleaned. They are the best I can do until I can find another way to get more detailed images. Thanks in advance for any further help that can be provided.
Ray

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanks, Iron Patch, for your information and knowledge. I don't expect the coins are worth too much, just looking for an answer to the inevitable questions I get.
Attached are a few shots of the coins that have been cleaned. They are the best I can do until I can find another way to get more detailed images. Thanks in advance for any further help that can be provided.
Ray

Vermont is Ryder 2, which is common. They're both fairly value coins but still very good detecting finds.

1785 Vermont Copper - Ryder 2

 

[Garrett424]

Really beautiful old coins. Congratulations.
I would soak them in mineral oil or olive oil for a few months. It may help them clean up a little more.

I used to use olive oil elusively but have since learned that mineral oil is PH neutral and cannot harm the metal in any way.