Fooled again - Darn buttons

[ModernMiner]

I hit the 1830's CW property on the way home. I'm dying to find a readable date LC now, since my last one was a POS. I got fooled not once, not twice, but three times thinking I had dug another coin.
I got fooled by the two large buttons, and then I thought for sure I had an old coin, but it turned out to be a round flattened piece of lead. Who would play such a sick trick?
I hit the woods too and found some rusty relics and a silver plated pin with a man in cart behind a horse.
Nothing spectacular, but the buttons were a nice find.
Here's my finds:
*A 21mm flat button with a "Warranted Treble Gilt" back mark.
Any idea on the age of this one?

*A 27 mm flat button with nice shank, no back mark. Would this size possibly be Colonial?

*A 27 mm flat button , no shank, no back mark. Maybe pewter?

*Asst'd lead pieces. The one piece looks like a carved triangle. Even the top (wide area) was shaped into a sharp "V".

*Silver plated pin with tiny fake jewels.

*Asst'd rusty relics.

*Asst'd other relics- thimble, razor handle, etc.

Can anyone ID the piece pictured next to the pin? (7th picture down)
I'm pretty sure it is brass.

Have a great w/end, and thanks for looking,
MM

 

[carolinachief]

No help on the ID but you are finding some great stuff lately. WTG!! If you need some help digging all that stuff I would be happy to come give you a hand. Happy Hunting.

 

[Master Sarge]

Pretty neat find you have. What are the buttons, are they civil war era or older?

 

[ModernMiner]

Pretty neat find you have. What are the buttons, are they civil war era or older?

Thanks Sarge. I think the Warranted one may be CW, but the other two larger ones may be older. Hopefully someone can ID them.
-MM-

 

[BuckleBoy]

Nice toe tap in the third photo down. That thimble may be silver! Oh, and it looks like you might have a tombac button there (the shinier one). Lets put it this way--with no TID/VID numbers on our machines, we get fooled a lot by those flat buttons, but I LOVE finding them because when I do I know that there are usually Large Cents or Seated coins close by.

Regards,


Buckleboy

 

[Colonial KirkPA]

Awesome digs again, Doug. The but-tins are very near Colonial times. The 27mm one could be a "Dandy" but-tin, if it has a design on the front. You should consult Don in SJ on these.

Keep it up!

BDD...Kirk

 

[ModernMiner]

Nice toe tap in the third photo down. That thimble may be silver! Oh, and it looks like you might have a tombac button there (the shinier one). Lets put it this way--with no TID/VID numbers on our machines, we get fooled a lot by those flat buttons, but I LOVE finding them because when I do I know that there are usually Large Cents or Seated coins close by.

Regards,
Buckleboy

BB,
Excuse my ignorance on these things, but when you mentioned the toe tap, is that the piece with all the holes in it? (6th picture)
What era is that?
What is a Tombac button?

Congrats on getting your article in W&ET. Great job.
Doug-

 

[ModernMiner]

Maybe you should change your focus to buttons, and consider the coins a nice surprise. Then everyday would be wonderful.

Good idea.

 

[ModernMiner]

Awesome digs again, Doug. The but-tins are very near Colonial times. The 27mm one could be a "Dandy" but-tin, if it has a design on the front. You should consult Don in SJ on these.

Keep it up!

BDD...Kirk

Thanks Buddy.
Congrats on your new car. Did you get a Coppa colored one?
-Doug-

 

[BuckleBoy]

Nice toe tap in the third photo down. That thimble may be silver! Oh, and it looks like you might have a tombac button there (the shinier one). Lets put it this way--with no TID/VID numbers on our machines, we get fooled a lot by those flat buttons, but I LOVE finding them because when I do I know that there are usually Large Cents or Seated coins close by.

Regards,
Buckleboy

BB,
Excuse my ignorance on these things, but when you mentioned the toe tap, is that the piece with all the holes in it? (6th picture)
What era is that?
What is a Tombac button?

Congrats on getting your article in W&ET. Great job.
Doug-

Thanks for your kind words about the article! The piece with the holes in it is indeed a toe tap! In terms of era, I would say you're looking at anywhere from 1820ish to 1920ish, but they're always a cool find. 8) I have two that I am going to post photos of in my December 2007 Housesite Huntin' Wrap-Up (still working on the pics--trying to narrow it down from 50 photos to something manageable...). I'll PM you a link to the post when I get it up and running in the next day or two so that you can see a few more toe taps.

Here's a link explaining what a tombac button is:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,113489.0.html

And also halfway down in the replies to this post:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,122423.msg894182.html#msg894182



Regards,


Buckleboy

 

[Merf]

Those are some great finds Doug---I love those old buttons.
A good hunt my friend.

 

[Danimal]

You gotta love that kind of older finds Doug. And don't worry. If you continue hitting areas with that age, more LCs will come.

 

[TN-Joe]

Woha Doug,
You be off & running. Cool finds!!! That prop-erty is poping out some good stuff.
Tennessee Joe

 

[ivan salis]

the treble gilt* is a older type button--- the rather thin gold coloring or wash (gilt) put on the buttons tended to wear off rapidly quite often -- so the british used various "terms " like that to "puff up" or tout the "quality" of their buttons --- treble gilt is like saying triple coated (thus they looked better longer) --- nice find by the way -- tombac is a type of metal mixture -- during WW2 there was some canadian "war" nickles made from it -- Ivan

 

[MONTCOPATIM]

SCORE 8)

 

[RELICDUDE07]

MM..You found some cool button's,Tombacs are old buttons .. Used in 1770 to 1800 and made mostly of zinc ..Great finds...relicdude

 

[ModernMiner]

Nice toe tap in the third photo down. That thimble may be silver! Oh, and it looks like you might have a tombac button there (the shinier one). Lets put it this way--with no TID/VID numbers on our machines, we get fooled a lot by those flat buttons, but I LOVE finding them because when I do I know that there are usually Large Cents or Seated coins close by.

Regards,
Buckleboy

BB,
Excuse my ignorance on these things, but when you mentioned the toe tap, is that the piece with all the holes in it? (6th picture)
What era is that?
What is a Tombac button?

Congrats on getting your article in W&ET. Great job.
Doug-

Thanks for your kind words about the article! The piece with the holes in it is indeed a toe tap! In terms of era, I would say you're looking at anywhere from 1820ish to 1920ish, but they're always a cool find. 8) I have two that I am going to post photos of in my December 2007 Housesite Huntin' Wrap-Up (still working on the pics--trying to narrow it down from 50 photos to something manageable...). I'll PM you a link to the post when I get it up and running in the next day or two so that you can see a few more toe taps.

Here's a link explaining what a tombac button is:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,113489.0.html

And also halfway down in the replies to this post:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,122423.msg894182.html#msg894182

Regards,
Buckleboy

Very informative.
Thanks BB

 

[Evolution]

Nice hunt Doug. I know how you feel about feeling "fooled" by the buttons. I actually made a post about the same type of thing once. Here is the link.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,110426.0.html

I still like finding the buttons almost as much as the coins because where there are buttons...there are usually coins nearby.

 

[Mona Lisa]

Miner, It looks like you're hitting the right spot. You're finding all the right relics for a large cent or two.

I've found a maybe 4 toe plates and still get excited about finding them. I have some that looked like they were used and reused several times by the amount of tack holes in them. A few of mine have a patent date on the inside of them...so you might look at yours and see if you can find one. 8)

I hope you're wearing your longer dresses for when you hunt...........Don't want anyone to see your bloomers!

 

[ModernMiner]

Miner, It looks like you're hitting the right spot. You're finding all the right relics for a large cent or two.

I've found a maybe 4 toe plates and still get excited about finding them. I have some that looked like they were used and reused several times by the amount of tack holes in them. A few of mine have a patent date on the inside of them...so you might look at yours and see if you can find one. 8)

I hope you're wearing your longer dresses for when you hunt...........Don't want anyone to see your bloomers!

LMAO! Hilarious.
I was thinking of shooting a MD vid of me hunting in a dress. What do you think?
Thanks for the info on the toe plate. I had no idea what it was untill you & BB told me.
I'm always surprised what I'm digging up next at that 1830's house. It's been a blast. You know the funny thing is, I have not dug one wheat penny there yet. IH's yes, but not a wheat. Weird.
Thanks,
Doug
P.S. What state are you in? Besides the state of confusion I mean.