found a military button today it says je renais de mes cendres any info wouldbe great

[jpd]

 

[jst1dreamr]

Wow, what great condition that is in. Congrats.

 

[jpd]

I havnt washed it or anything that's how she came out of the ground shank is still whole and attached

 

[CRUSADER]

Good, it got the interest it deserved

 

[jpd]

I didn't realize it was such a good find

 

[CRUSADER]

I didn't realize it was such a good find

I did, it just took awhile to get noticed!

 

[jpd]

I'm taking a friend back on fri hopefully he can get his first colonial coin I've pulled 2 from this site plus the button

 

[mangum]

Awesome find, congrats!

 

[burglarifyoulike]

That is so cool! I have no idea what it means, but so unique, making it even better!

 

[paulb104]

I just came across one of these Phoenix buttons.

The story goes that they were originally manufactured in England to fill an order for military uniform buttons by King Christophe of Haiti. However, they were never delivered due to Christophe's suicide in 1820. As a result, the buttons entered the open market.

It is believed that Nathaniel Wyeth, an American trader, brought phoenix buttons to the Pacific Northwest. Wyeth challenged the Hudson's Bay Company's dominance as the primary trader in the area, and the HBC rose to this challenge - eventually running Wyeth out of business. Chief Factor John McLoughlin wrote of Wyeth, "We opposed him as much as was Necessary...we may be certain Wyeths losses are Great, and though he still keeps up Fort Hall yet he has very few Goods."

Not long after this, McLoughlin purchased Fort Hall and bought out Wyeth's stock of goods, which likely included these phoenix buttons.

Now to figure out what this one is worth.

Stack's had sold one in March 2010 for $373.75 with the shank removed, but that was Regimen 2.

Then in January 2011 they sold another for $126.50, with the shank. But you know as well as I that auctions can be fickle - it all depends on who is there, and if there's a bid war.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

We find these Phoenix buttons out here at early Spanish era sites in California (I think I'm up to 12-13 of them now, but never tired of digging them!).

Yes you could get pretty good money for them a while back, but now that they've made their rounds, they typically sell for around $30-$100 each on ebay, depending on rarity and condition.

The No. 23 cuff you show appears to have gone through electrolysis, which doesn't bode well for the condition aspect.

Here are four I found in one hunt in southern California:

hh,
Cal

I just came across one of these Phoenix buttons.

The story goes that they were originally manufactured in England to fill an order for military uniform buttons by King Christophe of Haiti. However, they were never delivered due to Christophe's suicide in 1820. As a result, the buttons entered the open market.

It is believed that Nathaniel Wyeth, an American trader, brought phoenix buttons to the Pacific Northwest. Wyeth challenged the Hudson's Bay Company's dominance as the primary trader in the area, and the HBC rose to this challenge - eventually running Wyeth out of business. Chief Factor John McLoughlin wrote of Wyeth, "We opposed him as much as was Necessary...we may be certain Wyeths losses are Great, and though he still keeps up Fort Hall yet he has very few Goods."

Not long after this, McLoughlin purchased Fort Hall and bought out Wyeth's stock of goods, which likely included these phoenix buttons.

Now to figure out what this one is worth.

Stack's had sold one in March 2010 for $373.75 with the shank removed, but that was Regimen 2.

Then in January 2011 they sold another for $126.50, with the shank. But you know as well as I that auctions can be fickle - it all depends on who is there, and if there's a bid war.
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[trapperart]

I think this would qualify as a banner find I am voting for it. Congrats on a rare find

 

[Gimpydigger]

I think this would qualify as a banner find I am voting for it. Congrats on a rare find

I know this a year old thread but I just found one in Southern Maine...go figure...took another forum member to figure it out. I was baffled....wish mine was as good as this one found in the top of this thread but hey..not complaining.

 

[Professor of Engineering]

Very nice find, congratulations!

 

[Gimpydigger]

Very nice find, congratulations!

Thank you!!

 

[sutphin]

FIRST I HAVE EVER SEEN. DAMN NICE FIND . CONGRATS.