I always understood the large batea and dulang pans found in the third world are made locally from wood or hammered out of oil drum lids. In the hands of a skilled operator they are supposed to be quite efficient. On the subject of using a safety pan there is nothing noob about it, there is good reasons for using a safety pan. I don't usually clean out my cons at the river but when I do it is to get a rough idea of how I am doing, like checking the upper end of my box, I'll pan it down to see whats going on then fling it and the safety pan into my bucket for working out at camp or at home where I also use a safety pan in my tub to help keep my tub clean as well as for saving my black sands which I like to process for values when I have a big enough pile. I wasn't able to figure out how to use my turbo pan before it was broken, I was playing under a dam that released and drove the water up rapidly I started frisbying my pans to shore the turbo pan split down the middle on landing, I tried melting it together with a soldering iron but it wasn't a strong repair and broke again. Pita are those hollow tortilla looking things that hippes eat, P.E.T.A. stands for People Eating Tasty Animals right?