Help ID Two North Carolina Points

[27davis]

These two points were found in Edgecombe County. I know what I would like the second one to be, but don't want to get my hopes up just yet. These points were field finds.

 

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[rock]

Just so hard to see the white ones. Maybe you can take another pic outside on the same black. That might help. Nice finds

 

[bsit1361]

It's a possibility that it could be in the hardaway family. Especially since you are in North Carolina.

 

[bmartin0693]

The large one looks like a Hardaway maybe. Then, the other one looks like a worn down Hardaway-Dalton. They are estimated to be approximately 10,000 years old. Nice finds!

 

[NC field hunter]

The large one looks like a Hardaway maybe. Then, the other one looks like a worn down Hardaway-Dalton. They are estimated to be approximately 10,000 years old. Nice finds!

I agree with the possibility of Hardaway/dalton. However, something doesn't look right. Can't call why right off. Could be the medial ridge, just not sure. Let me look again. The one that you are hoping for a sweet answer on, can you describe the base or even better take a few pics of the base?

 

[Get-the-point]

First one I believe is a Taylor point and the second on looks like a exhausted Clovis. Need a better pic of that one......

 

[NC field hunter]

The small one may be a yadkin. They are found all over NC and fool me every time. I always think they are paleo then find out they are woodland. I'm not certain here, but it's a nice starting line for you. The larger find is possibly an Alamance. I'll try to get a link up for you.

 

[NC field hunter]

http://www.projectilepoints.net/Pages/Searches/Points/Yadkin.html

 

[bmartin0693]

Not real sure what the material is, quartz? Here's 3 resources to help figure out what you may have:

1. Hardaway | OverstreetID.com <---click through the additional photos to see if you can see one that is similar
2. Hardaway Dalton
3. Paleo Period Points of the Carolina Piedmont | www.arrowheads.com

 

[dlos]

Left piece looks like a Palmer and the smaller one on the right a Yadkin?Uhwarrie (maybe Alamance) that's pretty used up.

 

[bmartin0693]

The small one may be a yadkin. They are found all over NC and fool me every time. I always think they are paleo then find out they are woodland. I'm not certain here, but it's a nice starting line for you. The larger find is possibly an Alamance. I'll try to get a link up for you.

I'm not calling you wrong either, Rusty. There's a good chance it may be a Woodland type. However, most Yadkins I've found has never been quartz. Quartz was mainly used before Woodland age, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Having better pictures of these materials and their bases would help us provide more certainty for sure.

 

[NC field hunter]

I'm not calling you wrong either, Rusty. There's a good chance it may be a Woodland type. However, most Yadkins I've found has never been quartz. Quartz was mainly used before Woodland age, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Having better pictures of these materials and their bases would help us provide more certainty for sure.

We have more quartz than any other lithic in this area. I find plenty of contact era quartz pieces. Paper thin triangles. They wow me every time.

 

[bmartin0693]

Yea you're right a lot of them Woodland triangles can be quartz. Quartz and rhyolite is the most abundant materials I can think of in NC. I've not ever seen a quartz Yadkin before really, ones I've found/seen have been rhyolite. I seen them Caraways and Uhwarries made of quartz before. I read this resource also about Woodland sites in the NC Piedmont. It says smaller percentages of Woodland quartz were found and the rest was mainly Carolina slate. There's a possibility that it's Woodland like you said. Some Woodland Period Sites of North Carolina's Piedmont | www.arrowheads.com We've made a decent ball park estimate considering we don't have these in hand.

 

[NC field hunter]

We did pretty good I think, as well!

 

[Get-the-point]

We did pretty good I think, as well!

Nice try both of you... the base of the triangle shows a uniform concave base with rounded auricles. No yadkin points ever show rounded auricles. They have the woodland base showing sharp defined auricles. It appears to be ground but I cannot tell by the picture. Alamance points show a definitive barb just after the base on both sides of the blade giving it its look. The hardaway will have feet for auricles. That point has none of those characteristics. The other point has a Taylor/ Charleston pine tree look. The corner notch is the difference on that one.It also has vosburg traits. They both appear to be made of quartz.

 

[Get-the-point]

I'm not calling you wrong either, Rusty. There's a good chance it may be a Woodland type. However, most Yadkins I've found has never been quartz. Quartz was mainly used before Woodland age, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Having better pictures of these materials and their bases would help us provide more certainty for sure.

I have found quite a few quartz points dating from paleo to woodland.

 

[NC field hunter]

Nice try both of you... the base of the triangle shows a uniform concave base with rounded auricles. No yadkin points ever show rounded auricles. They have the woodland base showing sharp defined auricles. It appears to be ground but I cannot tell by the picture. Alamance points show a definitive barb just after the base on both sides of the blade giving it its look. The hardaway will have feet for auricles. That point has none of those characteristics. The other point has a Taylor/ Charleston pine tree look. The corner notch is the difference on that one.It also has vosburg traits. They both appear to be made of quartz.

GTP, I hand it to you, you are much better at point ID than I. My only question is, are vosburg points found in NC? I never have seen one, and I do see you said traits. No positive ID yet. I have woodland triangles with nice grinding at the base.

 

[Get-the-point]

NC...The bases on woodland triangles are just worn from being socketed. True basal grinding is very noticeable....

 

[NC field hunter]

NC...The bases on woodland triangles are just worn from being socketed. True basal grinding is very noticeable....

Give me your thoughts here. This is a brain buster!











Paleo or guilford that has weathered? I'm not sure.

 

[Get-the-point]

How about a paleo Clovis that has been weathered. Concaved based guilfords have a constricted base. The auricles point in where as a Clovis is either straight or a slight flair in the auricles.