Hog Back point type

[chase2]

Often confused with a Pelican Lake point type(much older). The Hog back has a wider notches and convex base. Lithic is Tabletop chert found in north central Colorado
Description from OverstreetID.com date range 1600 to 700 BP Description:
A small, thin, corner notched triangular arrow point with barbed shoulders and a convex base. The preform is ovoid and blade edges can be serrated.

 

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[willjo]

Nice point

 

[quito]

I wouldn't call that a convex base, but it looks like a hogs back to me.

 

[chase2]

I wouldn't call that a convex base, but it looks like a hogs back to me.

Quito, you are right the example I gave, is not convex. But My fault on not clarifying. I was more wanting to show that these are always confused with Pelican Lakes, with the notches being the key difference. I also should have made more reference to the base its self being not as broad. Here are a couple of Pelican lakes.

 

[Americus]

That is a nice find. Thanks for the look.

 

[quito]

Beautiful points! Great Material!

What part of colo are you in? We elk hunt around Granby and Frasier on occasion.

 

[chase2]

Beautiful points! Great Material!

What part of colo are you in? We elk hunt around Granby and Frasier on occasion.

I live in Fairplay, but grew up in Granby. I have done a few Elk hunts up there myself. (side note: glad to see you did not add a "D" to Granby)

 

[chase2]

Here is a Hog back more in the classic form.

 

[quito]

Here is a Hog back more in the classic form.View attachment 1259859View attachment 1259860

Nice, I have an excellent example in KRF I will have to show.

 

[quito]

Was oy able to get a phone pic in bad light, but here it is anyway.

 

[chase2]

Quito great example! Always enjoy seeing KRF

 

[diggingthe1]

I am learning so much thank you for posting. Are these all hogbacks except the bottom one? Is the bottom one pelican? I sure appreciate everyone sharing your knowledge!

 

[digger460]

Fine point. Congrats!

 

[chase2]

The top left looks like a Plains corner notch. the rest on the top row look like Hog Back's. The bottom one looks like a Avonlea, All thou they usually have a convex base I have seen a straight base. Close to a Galt point type that are described as having both convex and straight bases. Same time period date range 1600 to 700 BP

 

[quito]

Bottom right looks like what we would call Besant.

 

[chase2]

Bottom right looks like what we would call Besant.

All corner notched points. It does get a little confusing. Besant point type Archaic 8,000 to 2300 BP. From OverstreetID.com Description:
A small to medium size, high quality corner to side notched dart point. Notches occur close to the base. The base is straight to convex. Believed to be related to the Avonlea type and the earlier Pelican Lake type. Shoulders are tapered to straight.
This could be a Besant, but the extra wide base makes me lean towards an Avonlea. The point shown from diggingthe1 did have me looking at the notches. since most Avonlea's have shallow notches, but over all look says Avonlea to me.

 

[diggingthe1]

To me its more corner notched than the examples I compared on a Google site. Here's a few more pics.

 

[chase2]

Diggingthe1, you do bring up a very good point. IDing points, is a guess at best. Too many factors to consider, First would be the lithic it's self. what will the lithic allow to be knapped from shape to inclusions to size. Then there is the knapper, they are all hand made, so skill level and interpretation also have factors. then you have the variants from one group to another. Most all point types are named from a few sites. so they become the standard for all points found in a region. This falling into the Northern High Plains region, encompasses a very large section. and adaptation would be done more on a localized bases. A prime example is the area your in. you have some different animals than what would be out on the plains and the type of hunting techniques also changes per terrain.

 

[diggingthe1]

I agree! The varieties seem unending! I sure some points show knappings of two different eras. Thanks for the reply!