Ice age horse Jaw??

[catfishjim90]

Found this ice age horse a jaw?? On the Missouri River in the St. Louis area. On a gravel bar. It is very dark heavy and veryMineralize. I want to get it carbon dated. I went on line found a couple of Company’s but they said they could not do it because I was not a Museum, college, or archaeologist. They do not do Amateur archaeology. Anybody out there know where I could get this done I just want to get it dated. Thanks for any help. I have looked up the top of the teeth patterns. In ice age bone books and according to the books. The Teeth are Ice Age.

 

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[Tpmetal]

If not a horse than maybe something along the lines of elk? not too many animals that i know of with a jaw like that

 

[Clay Diggins]

Here's the jaw of a 12,000 year old American horse.

It looks like most ungulates. I don't see a close resemblance with your jaw but yours appears to be heavily eroded.

Here is the jaw of a modern horse.

Notice the difference in the angle and heft of the front lover incisors and the jaw shape? The thickness at the top joint of the jaw? I think this more closely resembles your find.

 

[pepperj]

Don't know enough about horses to gnaw on, but I'm liking the points in the photo.
(Nice little stash of cash as well)

 

[unclemac]

looks like horse to me, but pretty small? Hard to say about age, more likely recent just based on probability. I have one too, but much bigger.

 

[villagenut]

I tried to get several things carbon dated a long time ago and got the same response.....but had they performed my wishes it would have cost me a pretty penny....I think few hundred per specimen.

 

[metrotec]

horse were small during the ice age
original horses were 3 toed and about the size of a dog

 

[Older The Better]

horse were small during the ice age
original horses were 3 toed and about the size of a dog

That’s what I was thinking, I don’t think Ice aged horses… in North America… as we think of them them today existed. Horses were re-introduced by the Spanish, if it’s horse it can’t be much older than around 1500.

 

[Clay Diggins]

Depends on which ice age. During the most recent (Wisconsin) ice age there were full sized horses that were similar in size to modern horses. There were even a few subspecies that were as large as draft horses during that time. Those horses did survive the ice age but died out shortly afterwards. Many speculate that the native population ate them.

The Wisconsin ice age ended 11,000 years ago. So a full sized horse jaw from 10,0000 years ago might be a possibility for this jaw. As I already pointed out this jaw does not appear to match the jaw of a 10,0000 year old ice age horse. If you are going to speculate on the picture then I would rule out eohippus and the early tiny North American horses but there are ice age horses that were much larger.

 

[Older The Better]

I’ll need to brush up on my facts, I just remember the natural history museum at ku had the little horses, guess I took it as all horses were small in n. America sounds like some were and some weren’t