In Search of the descendants of Frank Henry Schramm born in 1879 ( son of John Henry Schramm or maybe of Henry O. Schramm, born in Prussia in 1859 )

[Prairie Gazingfox]

I am still convinced in this Spot and feel there is something buried there. I recently went there again and it hasn't been touched by anyone!
I had 2 or 3 months ago published the Pendulum swing results of the Emanations of this Spot
Back in July I did as much research as I could about who used to own this parcel of land.
I did find with 100 % certainty that it used to be land of this exact family! There were many other Schramm immigrants and some from Prussia too but they are all over Illinois and many Shramm original settlers ascwell as their descendant are located in neighboring states
Also in more distant states like Pennsylvania.

The Owner of the Parcel I am talking about is Frank Henry Schramm ( the son ) born in Cook County in 1879.
Parents: John Henry Schramm and Louisa Sophie Runge.
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My idea is: Because the son Frank Henry Schramm who was born in Cook County in 1879 and with his Wife they had MANY children of both genders, He didn't have time to choose To whom of His children to tell about THIS SPOT. Because he died at age 66 ( I dont know the Cause of death ).. Also due to affiliated research of mine, I believe Frank Henry Schramm had put money in the ground in at least 1 or 2 more places. Those I don't know where they are at but I have reasons to believe they ate within 1.5 miles.
So please, If you choose to come forward and show me You are a direct descendant ( most likely a Grand child of Frank ), I will take you to the Spot I very much Believe is where your Grandfather left coin money.

Right now I can say that Frank had a residence in another Town as well but chose to live and also died in or near his residence at Elgin,Illinois.
I don't know actually where this house was! I dont have an account to check all that. But based on the relevant maps, this Parcel was His and nobody else's.
My pendulum Categorically Says that him and Not his Father ( Henry Schramm born in Prussia in 1848) buried the money.
I managed to find online 1 particular document which reveals that Frank was hospitalized in St Joseph's hospital sometime in April 1946 and was cared for by a helper with a different family name ( or perhaps a younger relative ) all the way untill his death on December 3, 1946.
I wrote this in Good Faith!
Thank You

 

[vpnavy]

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[Mackaydon]

When Frank Henry Schramm was born on 23 December 1879, in Cook, Illinois, United States, his father, John Henry Schramm, was 31 and his mother, Louisa Sophie Runge, was 27. He married Emma Maria Below on 15 March 1906, in Kane, Illinois, United States. They were the parents of at least 4 sons and 6 daughters. He lived in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States in 1940 and Ellicott City, Howard, Maryland, United States in 2006. He died on 3 December 1946, in Elgin, Kane, Illinois, United States, at the age of 66, and was buried in Lakewood Memorial Park, Hanover Township, Cook, Illinois, United States.
Source: https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/G97W-K1N/frank-henry-schramm-1879-1946
Don in SoCal

 

[Mackaydon]

If you sign up for a Free Trial at either Ancestry.com or myheritage.com, you will probably find your answer. On those sites I can see Frank had children, but to get deeper into those files, you have to sign up for a Free Trial. What do you have to lose?
Don in SoCal.

 

[Prairie Gazingfox]

If you sign up for a Free Trial at either Ancestry.com or myheritage.com, you will probably find your answer. On those sites I can see Frank had children, but to get deeper into those files, you have to sign up for a Free Trial. What do you have to lose?
Don in SoCal.

Yes that's the info I have also. He was buried in exactly this Cemetery. The Cemetery was established in 1930 but back in the earlier decades it had a slightly different name.
I haven't been able to locate His grave bronze or stone plate yet as I went twice and I saw that maybe 60 % of the Graves are quite overgrown with grass and some with shallow dirt too.
But at the beginning slope/ incline meadows it seems are some of the older Bronze plates of people born around 1880-90

Will try later today with the Free trial.

Thank you

 

[Prairie Gazingfox]

If you sign up for a Free Trial at either Ancestry.com or myheritage.com, you will probably find your answer. On those sites I can see Frank had children, but to get deeper into those files, you have to sign up for a Free Trial. What do you have to lose?
Don in SoCal.

Hey Don, so should I look for a descendant Child of his first Child ( Clarence ) . I was thinking Clarence is a female but am not sure if this name was given only to women...Now i read, Clarence name was given mostly to men.
I still haven't signed up for a trial at those ancestry web pages.
But I see from Franks death certificate someone with a different family name ( can't read it ) was with him at the St Joseph hospital from April 1946 all the way up to December 3 when he died. Just interesting IMO.

 

[Red-Coat]

This is Frank's gravestone in Lakewood Memorial Park:

Further details including Father, Mother and wife at 'findagrave':

Frank Henry Schramm (1879-1946) - Find a Grave...

Frank Henry Schramm Illinois Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947 Tools Name: Frank Henry Schramm Event Date: 03 Dec 1946, 03 Dec 1946 Event Place: Elgin, Kane, Illinois Gender: Male Race: white Age: 66 Birth Year (Estimated): 1880 Birth Date: 23 Dec 1879 Birthplace: Cook Co., Ill. Father's Name...

www.findagrave.com

 

[Prairie Gazingfox]

This is Frank's gravestone in Lakewood Memorial Park:

View attachment 2224809

Further details including Father, Mother and wife at 'findagrave':

Frank Henry Schramm (1879-1946) - Find a Grave...

Frank Henry Schramm Illinois Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947 Tools Name: Frank Henry Schramm Event Date: 03 Dec 1946, 03 Dec 1946 Event Place: Elgin, Kane, Illinois Gender: Male Race: white Age: 66 Birth Year (Estimated): 1880 Birth Date: 23 Dec 1879 Birthplace: Cook Co., Ill. Father's Name...

www.findagrave.com

Thank you, Red-Coat!

Yes, his grave stone is not as overgrown ( or hardly at all ) compared to many others I saw. Well in most cases is grass and some shallow dust.
I Appreciate it!

 

[Prairie Gazingfox]

I am still convinced in this Spot and feel there is something buried there. I recently went there again and it hasn't been touched by anyone!
I had 2 or 3 months ago published the Pendulum swing results of the Emanations of this Spot
Back in July I did as much research as I could about who used to own this parcel of land.
I did find with 100 % certainty that it used to be land of this exact family! There were many other Schramm immigrants and some from Prussia too but they are all over Illinois and many Shramm original settlers ascwell as their descendant are located in neighboring states
Also in more distant states like Pennsylvania.

The Owner of the Parcel I am talking about is Frank Henry Schramm ( the son ) born in Cook County in 1879.
Parents: John Henry Schramm and Louisa Sophie Runge.
.
My idea is: Because the son Frank Henry Schramm who was born in Cook County in 1879 and with his Wife they had MANY children of both genders, He didn't have time to choose To whom of His children to tell about THIS SPOT. Because he died at age 66 ( I dont know the Cause of death ).. Also due to affiliated research of mine, I believe Frank Henry Schramm had put money in the ground in at least 1 or 2 more places. Those I don't know where they are at but I have reasons to believe they ate within 1.5 miles.
So please, If you choose to come forward and show me You are a direct descendant ( most likely a Grand child of Frank ), I will take you to the Spot I very much Believe is where your Grandfather left coin money.

Right now I can say that Frank had a residence in another Town as well but chose to live and also died in or near his residence at Elgin,Illinois.
I don't know actually where this house was! I dont have an account to check all that. But based on the relevant maps, this Parcel was His and nobody else's.
My pendulum Categorically Says that him and Not his Father ( Henry Schramm born in Prussia in 1848) buried the money.
I managed to find online 1 particular document which reveals that Frank was hospitalized in St Joseph's hospital sometime in April 1946 and was cared for by a helper with a different family name ( or perhaps a younger relative ) all the way untill his death on December 3, 1946.
I wrote this in Good Faith!
Thank You

I realize it's now Mid December ,2025.
However, I HAVE TO MAKE A BIG CORRECTION!
After doing hours upon hours of Re-summarization of my dowsing research, and Further Pondering on Integrating its aspects in their practical application,
I came to the Conclusion :
This cache didn't belong to Frank Henry Schramm.
Probably was not buried by his father Either!
After all, they were just farmers in the area they settled into and worked for decades....
Of course, they didn't come straight into the Chicago brick factories after immigrating ( the father) from Prussia. Instead they chose to buy land quite far from most Civilization at that time. So they did have some money savings.....
However, this cache Signal is too Strong, also The 2 stone markings are too Large ( for a more Contemporary, more of a Careful type of person to leave behind...well embedded in the ground from the beginning of positioning them in their spots;
Such modern person would not Either have the Carelessness or the PRIVACY around 1900s to 1930s to bury that deep and for the hidden stuff to Not be bothered by anyone who afterwards owned the property) . Because by 1900 quite a few settlers were in the area and most of them owned Woodlots....so there were neighbors around to occasionally walk by....
I believe therefore this buried caches is from several decades earlier, when there was almost Not a soul around....
In fact, in the 1840s-1850s ,
I checked the 1861 map, the earliest available and readable for that area, only LESS THAN 1/3 of the names were German in that properties map!
Most, as I later verified through Published history facts were people of Irish , Scottish, English descent.
1 more thing : Their parents or themselves were not fresh immigrants to the US.
Rather, they had already been in the US, in New York, Hampshire, New England. A lot of them came and bought ( maybe from the Federal Government at that price $ 1.25 all the way to an average of $ 6 per acre.
Maybe from the Federal or state government because SOME of the 1840s and 1850s Owners didn't return from the Civil War?? )
Its has to be Their Gold and Silver, then!
They had like from 30 to more than 150 acres in some cases. Why sell the land and ABANDON the gold? ( in case the olderst figure of the family was still alive and had shared the Knowledge of the Spot ) .
80 % of all parcels owners in the 1870 map are different from the owners OF THE SAME PROPERTIES in the 1861 map!!
Including considering possible inheritances to sons..
Clearly, one of the most fertile land of the entire Country CHANGED HANDS in less than 10 years around that Northern part of Illinois. Why They all moved entirely to Elgin city where they built or bought houses ?Or to other Chicago suburbs?
Same thing for later maps. But I only looked at the 1898 map besides the other older ones.
Maybe THEY ALL couldn't stand the Heat and humidity and the bugs? Where did they All go?? By early trains, off to other States?