Indian Arrowheads Collection?

[CarGirl]

Sorry to say I am clueless about these arrowhead that I inherited this small collection about 10 years ago and they have been in a closet probably since the early 70's. Any direction as far as what these are and possible value would be greatly appreciated!

 

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[2screwed]

If you post it or have a mod move it to the North American Indian Artifacts forum they will be able to help you out.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Thread moved to North Am Indian Artifact forum...

 

[jmaschal]

Any information about where these were found?

 

[jmaschal]

And when found

 

[jmaschal]

Pretty sure most are reproductions but please provide a back story if possible others more qualified can give more information. Still good craft mans ship if repros just no value.

 

[arrow86]

I also think most are reproductions ..... There may be a few authentic points but it's hard to tell from the pics

 

[Jon Stewart]

Red glass? Although Ishi knapped arrowheads out of electrical pole insulators.

 

[CarGirl]

Thanks for moving the post! Sorry I don't have a lot of history but I will give you what I have.

I inherited them about 10 years ago from a lady that passed in her 80's. She lived in California when she passed but she was born in Texas and had family in other central and southern states I believe. There was a hand written note in the box that said "Southern States, Alabama, Adena and Hopewellian".

There was also a note on the one in the 1st photo, third from the left on the bottom row that said "Willow Leaf Point". She was into archaeology in her younger years and was a collector of a lot of things which proved to be a chore that took months to clear out her home after her passing.

Sorry I don't have much to go on and know nothing about arrowheads. If you would like a closer photo of any of them just let me know which ones.

Again, any help is very much appreciated.

 

[monsterrack]

Most of those points are made of stone that could not have come from the southern states. JMO they look like they were chipped by the same person and the stone fish hook, the eagle and the red glass is dead give away to reproductions. A person can have a collection of real nice artifacts an have just one of those items in the collection and it will throw doubt on the whole collection. Welcome to T-net

 

[fishstick]

2nd pic next to the hook looks like a bone awl.

 

[unclemac]

when it comes to to recognizing style and the hand that makes them I bow down to monsterrack...having said that those look like a whos who of Columbia River points mostly made of obsidian and, if real, would scream Oregon. The red points are not unheard of in this area and the real ones were made of Railroad glass.

 

[creekhunter]

I would say they are all reproductions, especially after seeing the flint thunderbird.

 

[gordonquixote]

Based on the red glass, the fish hook, and the thunderbird, I wouldn't pay a single penny for the collection. I would think they are all modern reproductions based on this (and the uniform material).

 

[joshuaream]

There are a couple of standout old replicas, but the bulk of them could be authentic. I know guys who can pick up typical site scatter like that in several hours of collecting. If you take a couple of close up pictures of the points, we should be able to tell you more.

Value- Buy a nice wooden frame, arrange them nicely, and you could get $100 plus for the points. A couple of the smaller points could be worth that alone if authentic.

 

[CarGirl]

Most of those points are made of stone that could not have come from the southern states. JMO they look like they were chipped by the same person and the stone fish hook, the eagle and the red glass is dead give away to reproductions. A person can have a collection of real nice artifacts an have just one of those items in the collection and it will throw doubt on the whole collection. Welcome to T-net

Thanks monsterrack for the feedback. I Just took some more close up pictures and found some more clues! Hopefully if there are reproductions it doesn't spoil the chance of the things that could be real. Who knows, she could have found some of them and was given others.

 

[CarGirl]

Here's some close up photos to the best of my photography skills. I numbered them so it would be easier to look at individual items. I also found more clues! There was more writing on tape on a couple of them. California is for sure not out of the question as she lived there for well over 30 years owned many properties and one of the items I just discovered said Death Valley I 12,000 if that means anything?

Thanks again for the help! This is getting interesting...

























Oh, and I have no idea what this is and why it was in the arrowhead collection or what 22 means but the markings on the right look interesting so I thought I would keep everything together.

 

[unclemac]

those are great pix...very helpful. It is not unusual for a point to have those flats...but for all (most) of them in a collection, it is. Perhaps this was made by an individual as a study in western points, as that is definitely what you have. Since the red points are (if real) by far the most valuable, have them authenticated...that should settle it. And if they are real, they most absolutely should be authenticated.

it is true too that actual native Americans made points specifically to be collected and traded post contact. these could have been collected in the first half of the 20th century at "trading posts". roadside attractions, reservations and the like. California has A LOT of mission Indian bands.

 

[monsterrack]

The better photos are great, most of what I see looks like the material came from the N. Cal., Oregon or Idaho area. You have a number that does look to be old artifacts, #49 an #8 is what I would call a eccentric , #8 is not a bird eiffigy . There is some of what I think is the Oregon Valley material and style. #60 an #62 almost looks like Alibates stone from N. Tx. ,if #60 had base grinding on it I would say it was a Paleo point. The major stone type is Obsidian , Dacite, Red Jasper and Yellow Jasper. From what I can see a lot of the points have the weathering effect that happens to this type of stone when exposed to the elements. Most are made from flakes and that is not uncommon, but the flake flat spots look like they have been exposed longer than the flaking(flat spot dull,flaking high shine). The bone item is a bone awl and a good one. The red point I have no guess, but I would let someone that knows about artifacts look at this collection, because the chipping style just looks to close to the way they were made. They are worth keeping no doubt about that, but the hook is a 99% chance of it being a reproduction, since no one has ever found one in context under a controlled dig. Go to Projectile Point Identification Guide and do a little looking around. Thanks for posting.

 

[CarGirl]

Thank you so much for all of the replies and I am so sorry for the VERY delayed response. The day after my last post I received an call that my mother was in an accident and had to fly out right away. Unfortunately she passed away a couple days later so there were a lot of things put on hold.

The lady that had this collection was very into archaeology and went on a lot of digs all over the world and along with this collection I have all sorts of artifacts and things that I now need to figure out.

Does anyone know of someone in the Colorado area they trust that could look at these?