LR2000 question

[Rail Dawg]

We were e-mailing with a mining company about placer prospecting on some of their lode claims.

They were super-friendly about it but advised they had sold most of their claims to another mining company back in 2012.

On LR2000 the original company still shows as the claim owners.

Are there circumstances where this might occur? Before asking them directly we thought about getting some input here first.

Thanks!

 

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[et1955]

Have you gone threw " MY Land Matters " and checked on the status of the claims there, also does the BLM make mistakes, Yes

 

[Rail Dawg]

Have you gone threw " MY Land Matters " and checked on the status of the claims there, also does the BLM make mistakes, Yes

Good advice and will do so now.

Actually got a Sunday response from the original mining company attorney.

He says they sold every claim and have no vested interest in the claims.

He doesn’t understand why they would still be listed as the 2019 owner in LR2000.

Again though a Land Matters search is a great idea.

 

[et1955]

just an example for you, the blm list 2 owners of the claim next to mine, who owns it

 

[Rail Dawg]

just an example for you, the blm list 2 owners of the claim next to mine, who owns it

The 2nd mining company that bought the claims isn’t listed on any paperwork at both the BLM and the county.

We’ve looked at COL’s, NOI’s, quitclaims and mining maps.

What’s interesting is that the Supreme Court has established:

“that a mining "claim" is not a claim in the ordinary sense of the word--a mere assertion of a right--but rather is a private property interest, which is itself real property in every sense, and not merely an assertion of a right to property”.

With that said even though a claim is “real property” there’s no clear title that can be easily researched.

This really makes the whole process of researching claim ownership quite tricky. We’ve done the whole county records search many times for other claims.

Sometimes the county online records can be searched but some of these claims go back 100 years and there aren’t online records for most of those. Digging through micro-fiche records can be tedious at best lol.

These are great claims and we are simply trying to find the rightful owners.

Very difficult sometimes.

 

[delnorter]

Rail Dawg, if the claims are truly valuable, a local title company could set you straight real quick. It will cost a little but should clear things up. Your time is of value too.
Mike

 

[Bejay]

just an example for you, the blm list 2 owners of the claim next to mine, who owns it

Overclaiming is common and the BLM is only assigned the duty of keeping files explicitly for the purpose of insuring payments/work done. They take money. Often they fail to adequately track the locations...thus overclaiming is to be resolved by claimants...and the law dictates such adverse issues are resolved by the courts. Since claims are named independently by the claimants it makes it hard to determine who is what. Possessory claim activity is often the determining factor. That said claimants who want to possess and keep a claim will most often maintain the location notice docs.

Bejay

 

[winners58]

check other claims if they were sold as a group, check the lead files, could be sold as a contract, might have to go to the BLM public room
I know of several that are filed by an agent or still under the original locator but the real owners are a Canadian company.
if it was sold it should be in the county records might search by names or even by date maybe recording book & page number.
look under 1992/1994 that's when older claims had to start regular filing with both the county and BLM then trace the ownership forward.

 

[RobertF]

This assumes either party sent notice of the transfer to BLM. You think they would have, but that's no guarantee.

 

[KevinInColorado]

This assumes either party sent notice of the transfer to BLM. You think they would have, but that's no guarantee.

The county filing is what makes the ownership transfer legal. Focus there.

 

[mofugly13]

What does the claim status indicate on
LR2000 or Mylandmatters? Who has been paying the fees, or filing waivers? Is everything current? Or is the the claim just waiting to be closed due to a lapse in a filing?

 

[bug]

Maybe the claim transfer was never recorded at the county or blm. Just some money traded hands, and then who knows what happened.

 

[RobertF]

The county filing is what makes the ownership transfer legal. Focus there.

Completely, but the question was regarding LR2000 and my point was LR2000 is only as accurate as the data supplied.

I find claims regularly that no one sent anything to BLM regarding the ownership change but it was filed at the county. Plenty of vice-versa too.

 

[Rail Dawg]

Appreciate the responses.

It’s strange as the old company still shows on LR2000 but current for 2019.

It would seem a quitclaim would have been filed by the old company getting the new company onto LR2000.

 

[mofugly13]

Or, the old company is giving you the run around.

 

[Clay Diggins]

Or, the old company is giving you the run around.

that ^

Heavy Pans

 

[Rail Dawg]

Or, the old company is giving you the run around.

This could be true but the new company does have some information out there saying they purchased the claims.

The attorney for the new company wrote and said yes they own the claims.

But he didn’t want to spend “the time and money” to research LR2000 on why the old company name is still current in the database.

Kinda ludicrous I know.