More Cavalry finds until...DEAD DETECTOR BATTERY

alderan33

Full Member
Joined
Oct 15, 2010
Messages
249
Reaction score
39
Golden Thread
0
Location
Greenville, NC
Detector(s) used
Whites Spectra V3I
Garrett Pro Pointer
Minelab Etrac
Primary Interest:
Relic Hunting

Attachments

  • Cavalry finds 71611 001.webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 001.webp
    103.4 KB · Views: 715
  • Cavalry finds 71611 002.webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 002.webp
    218.5 KB · Views: 715
  • Cavalry finds 71611 003.webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 003.webp
    109.8 KB · Views: 694
  • Cavalry finds 71611 005 - Copy (3).webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 005 - Copy (3).webp
    47.8 KB · Views: 699
Upvote 0
More pics...
 

Attachments

  • Cavalry finds 71611 004 - Copy.webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 004 - Copy.webp
    15.5 KB · Views: 661
  • Cavalry finds 71611 004 - Copy - Copy.webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 004 - Copy - Copy.webp
    12.3 KB · Views: 667
  • Cavalry finds 71611 004 - Copy (2).webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 004 - Copy (2).webp
    13.4 KB · Views: 663
  • Cavalry finds 71611 005.webp
    Cavalry finds 71611 005.webp
    214.5 KB · Views: 723
Nice finds...re: the dead battery; been there, done that, kicked myself each time!
 

Nice finds there. The one piece is part of an epaulet for sure. Looks like you have a great spot to hunt.
 

Are there head stamps on the empty cartridge cases? And how about the three loaded ones -- are there head stamps on them? The two long ones are either 45-70's which was the infantry cartridge, or 45-55's which were cavalry carbine cartridges, and the shorter loaded one looks to be a 50-70. That was the type cartridge used to defeat Red Cloud at the Wagon Box fight, and pre dates the 45-70.
 

The eagle button on the Right the bigger one is a residual CW GS eagle button. while the left side button is a Indian wars btton nice variety of finds my friend!
 

BosnMate said:
Are there head stamps on the empty cartridge cases? And how about the three loaded ones -- are there head stamps on them? The two long ones are either 45-70's which was the infantry cartridge, or 45-55's which were cavalry carbine cartridges, and the shorter loaded one looks to be a 50-70. That was the type cartridge used to defeat Red Cloud at the Wagon Box fight, and pre dates the 45-70.

There are no stamps on any of this ammo I'm finding. The shorter pistol round is a .50 cal. I'm not sure about the others yet. Thanks once again for the info. Yer a smart feller. ;D
 

most of your whats its, look like parade tack for horses. the thing with 3 rivets could be a cup handle
 

alderan33 said:
More pics...

The first Pic. is a belt or sling adjuster. the second is the locking portion of a shoulder scale. not sure of the third pic.
 

Some awesome Finds!
I believe the last item pictured is a suspender adjuster.
There was a recent whatsit post concerning these, some 'Guyotte' brand pieces had star images as yours show. :thumbsup:
 

steelheadwill said:
Some awesome Finds!
I believe the last item pictured is a suspender adjuster.
There was a recent whatsit post concerning these, some 'Guyotte' brand pieces had star images as yours show. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the ID Will. :icon_thumleft:
 

those unspent rounds are cool good hunt
 

Sniffer said:
most of your whats its, look like parade tack for horses. the thing with 3 rivets could be a cup handle

You might be right but i'm leaning more toward some kind of clip. Sort of like a money clip but different. I think it's too skinny for a cup holder. I can't fit my pinkie through it. :dontknow:
 

novafinder said:
those unspent rounds are cool good hunt
thanks! I never get tired of finding those. ;D
 

Very cool looking find's there alderen33,I think the Calvary had the neatest stuff.Congrat's :thumbsup:
 

That's not a .50 caliber pistol bullet, it's a 50-70 rifle bullet. After the Civil War the gov. had tons of left over muzzleloading Springfield Rifle Muskets, and the army was in need of a breech loader. So along came the Allyn conversion. They sleeved the rifle musket down to .50 caliber and installed the breech loading mechanism that collectors today call the "trapdoor." The frontier army was armed with muzzleloaders, and Red Cloud had been kicking army butt, defeating Fetterman etc. Then a shipment of the 50-70 conversions arrived, and a wood cutting detail was armed with them. They were attacked by Red Cloud and defeated the Indians using those breech loading rifles. Then in 1873 the army adopted the single shot 45-70 Springfield as their standard arm, which was basically the same as the Allyn conversion in a smaller caliber. Early on the 45-70 cartridges were inside primed center fire. The case was made of copper "guilding metal," and a primer cup was inserted inside and then the cup was crimped into place. You can see those crimps in the photo of your cartridges and the empty cases. Once the inside primer was in place, the case was then loaded with 70 grains of black powder and a 405 grain bullet was seated on top. The Cavalry fired a shorter version of the rifle, called a model 1873 45-55 Springfield Carbine. They fired a cartridge that looked exactly like the 45-70, 405 grain bullet, same length case, same crimp etc. But because the carbine was lighter the 45-70 bullet caused the carbine to have more "kick" when fired. So they were loaded down to 55 grains of black powder, and because there can't be an air gap between the bullet and black powder, there were cardboard fillers placed between the bullet and the powder. These cartridges couldn't be told apart by looking at them, so sometimes the enlisted men thought it would be a joke to put rifle cartridges in the Cavalry officers bullet pouch to be fired in his carbine, so for a short time the army didn't have any head stamps on the rifle rounds, but there was a raised "C" head stamp on the carbine cartridges, however there were lots of carbine cartridges that couldn't be told from a rifle round. These carbine marked cartridges are very rare and would be quite a find. Later on, the army head stamped these cartridges with dates and arsenal where they were loaded, and later yet, with R for rifle and C for carbine, and several times changed the weight of the bullets, finally using primers like are on modern cartridges today, making them reloadable, but that's all a different story from what you are finding. In the era you are searching the army also used the .45 caliber colt revolver. Again, same story on head stamps and priming, but pistol length brass. Your cartridge finds appear to be late 1860's (50-70) and early 1870's inside primed, no head stamped cases. The US Army used the 45-70 cartridge longer than any other, it being in use from 1873 until WWI when it was still in use in National Guard units.
 

I looked at the photos again, and what you have marked "minies" are in fact 45-70 rifle bullets.
 

Sweet relic finds!!! :headbang:
 

The oval deal with the teeth is a suspender buckle,and the round cap deal,I am pretty sure a Pipe bowl cover from a German Style type pipe bowl
 

great finds! charge that battery and get back out there!
 

Top Member Reactions

Users who are viewing this thread

Latest Discussions

Back
Top Bottom