my thoughts on cibola

[Dwight Frye]

After using the cibloa and comparing two vdi machines in comparable price range . My thoughts are the vdi machines are overrated . Now the only benefit I see would be depth readout . As far as accuracy I think it was pretty much random . Now I'm not saying that a $1000 vdi machine is not good . But if your farilair new them I think the beep and dig machine is a good way to go . Great way to learn and I think more of the money can be attributed to the machine and not the vdi . Just my thoughts , not trying to start a a pissing contest . Lol

 

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[luvsdux]

Dwight, I've said (to anyone that wanted my opinion) that I feel it's much better to start in this hobby with a beep and dig detector and get to know it well and to learn to decipher the subtle nuances in the tone between junk and good targets. THEN, if one desires, move up to or add a TID machine to the arsenal and use the audio response as one more important piece of information in addition to the display. As an example, several years ago I was detecting under a park swing with a TID detector and hit a target that fell in the junk range and sounded strange in the sense that it didn't sound like a good desirable target, nor did it sound like obvious junk. Definitely an unusual, compared to the norm, sound. I passed it up and walked about 10 feet, thought about it a second and went back and retrieved the target which wasn't deep at all. Turned out to be a .975 silver, small scotty dog charm from a bracelet. This also demonstrates "if in doubt, dig it out". Anyway a nice little surprise that I nearly left behind.

IMHO your Cibola is an excellent choice for a beep and dig detector and it should serve you well.
luvsdux

 

[63bkpkr]

Dwight Frye,
Interesting input! What other vdi machines were you comparing it with and is the comparison with all three out in the field or only the Cibola in the field and the other two by specification sheets? Not a PC question just curious as I'm intrigued by the Tesoro machines. Been a White's fella myself save for one dalliance with a Fisher Gold Bug, started out with a White's 6000D. It had more knobs and switches and they were all useful, darned good machine and almost a beep and dig machine but with a bit more info available due to the discrimination levels. Glad the Cibola is working out well for you!.............................63bkpkr

 

[Dwight Frye]

Tried the Ace 150 and Delta 4000 both were less expensive . The delta not by to much . Had both for couple weeks and tried in field and just thought the vdi was a big guess at what you were finding .

 

[rainyday101]

I am a Tesoro beep and dig guy also. I own a Silver uMax and a Tiger Shark. About 10 years ago I had a Garrett GTAX 450 with a TDI and it served me well. I thought about going back to TDI, but bang for the buck price on the Tesoro's was just to tempting. I'm glad I went beep and dig. With disc. properly set I can tell a coin sound every time. It just seems to me that if all you have is audio and disc. control to make digging decisions you pay more attention and get real good at learning the tone of a machine. I am still get tempted to get a TDI machine, but when I watch videos of jumpy TDI screens in trashy areas I change my mind. When I get in a trashy area I slow down the swing and check the area real slowly. My Tesoro's have been able to disc out and separate trash from target real easy. I am going to add a Vaquero to my Tesoro line-up real soon.

I'm not knocking using TDI machines but I just think for less money you can get a real good beep and dig.

As Sandman once said on this forum, "The only way a TDI doesn't lie is if you cover it with duct tape". I agree.

 

[dirtscratcher]

I am a Tesoro beep and dig guy also. I own a Silver uMax and a Tiger Shark. About 10 years ago I had a Garrett GTAX 450 with a TDI and it served me well. I thought about going back to TDI, but bang for the buck price on the Tesoro's was just to tempting. I'm glad I went beep and dig. With disc. properly set I can tell a coin sound every time. It just seems to me that if all you have is audio and disc. control to make digging decisions you pay more attention and get real good at learning the tone of a machine. I am still get tempted to get a TDI machine, but when I watch videos of jumpy TDI screens in trashy areas I change my mind. When I get in a trashy area I slow down the swing and check the area real slowly. My Tesoro's have been able to disc out and separate trash from target real easy. I am going to add a Vaquero to my Tesoro line-up real soon.

I'm not knocking using TDI machines but I just think for less money you can get a real good beep and dig.

As Sandman once said on this forum, "The only way a TDI doesn't lie is if you cover it with duct tape". I agree.

Everytime is pretty bold. I have both types and a detector with multiple tones and tid gives more clues to what a target is than a singal tone. Both types give a hint to size by sharpness of responce and cleanness of signal, but I'm way more accurate with my explorer than my vaquero. I hunt a couple ghosttowns that are blanketed with nails that the vaquero stumps on my explorer. I guess ther each good for different things.

 

[rainyday101]

Okay maybe that is a little too bold, but with disc. set to cherry pick a nice clean tone is a coin almost every time. At higher disc. you can eliminate almost all trash and the clean hits are coins. I got admit that once in a while the right size chunk of can slaw or a washer can fool ya. Now with disc way down a good TDI would be helpful because you got lots of clean signals that are trash. With disc set just short of zinc though, I feel you don't need a TDI. I use the cherry pick settings to just get clad and silver.

 

[Dwight Frye]

All I'm really sayin in the lower end price range , the vdi diplays were not accurate at predicting what's in the ground . Correct maybe 10% of the time so I think they really did not work , if your not better than 50% . Kind of like weathermen . Now maybe in the highend machines .