Mystery Lid / Religious Significance?

[mtnbay]

I hit a mid 1800's homestead yesterday that had activity through the early 1900's. The very first signal of the day was this cool lid with what I think might be a religious symbol. It is a little larger than a silver dollar. I can find nothing online suggesting what this might be. We have found French and German items in this area. Any help or thoughts you good people might have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_and_Crown

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Heres another one with pictures of front and back http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/330703-masonic.html and it appears to have solder remains where it may have connected to a hinge or something

 

[BARKER]

Hi; First is that it is purely Decorative Symbolism. That it may have been used by a Religious person but NOT by the Church itself. If it had been used by the Church itself the Cross would NEVER have been placed through the Crown. The Design would have shown the Cross placed ABOVE the Crown. If it had Papal Signifigance then it would have been made of Pure Gold or Silver, NOT Copper ok. I believe it may have been used as a lid to a Holy Water Vessel or container. Holy Water is used as a means of "Cleansing","Healing" or "Blessing". That is the only Religious signifigance it has ok. Nice find. PEACE:RONB

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

We need pic of the back to try and solve this

 

[Mackaydon]

The Cross and Crown (a cross passing through a crown) is a Christian symbol appearing in many churches, particularly Roman Catholic. It has also been used in heraldry.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] The emblem is often interpreted as symbolizing the reward in heaven (the crown) coming after the trials in this life (the cross) (James 1:12).
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_and_Crown
Don.... (same source as BCH's above)

 

[mtnbay]

I appreciate all of you weighing in on this item. A lot of great feedback that helps a lot. Here is a picture of the back of the lid.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Look just like the one found by RelicDude. Its machine stamped, mass produced but still unidentified. He seems to think it was a pin and his has solder on one side.

 

[CRUSADER]

Look just like the one found by RelicDude. Its machine stamped, mass produced but still unidentified. He seems to think it was a pin and his has solder on one side.

This one has 2 solder marks, so may help a little?

 

[lairmo]

 

[BARKER]

Hi; The solder marks are where the lid would have attached to the hinges. The green you see is caused by the Holy Water coming into contact with the lid ok. Holy Water was used for all of the above stated Curses ok. In this case the person that used this Holy Water was not a Priest but rather a very Religious person, possibly a Mason, to use in his Daily Rituals ok. I know this because I served the Roman Catholic Church for 7 1//2 Years before going in the Military. I served under 2 Cardinals. Cardinal Mediero's & Cardinal Law. I have almost as much Seminarian Training as any Seminarian around ok. Good Luck. PEACE:RONB

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

This one has 2 solder marks, so may help a little?

I cant see through all the dirt. Are you talking about those green marks in the center?


The other one has solder on the end like where a hinge would be

 

[Beshires1]

Looks pretty dang religious to me....OK!

 

[BARKER]

Hi; Yes it was used for Religious purposes but NOT by a Priest. Rather by a person of Great Faith like a Mason ok. PEACE:RONB

 

[Beshires1]

OK!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Hi; The solder marks are where the lid would have attached to the hinges. The green you see is caused by the Holy Water coming into contact with the lid ok. Holy Water was used for all of the above stated Curses ok. In this case the person that used this Holy Water was not a Priest but rather a very Religious person, possibly a Mason, to use in his Daily Rituals ok. I know this because I served the Roman Catholic Church for 7 1//2 Years before going in the Military. I served under 2 Cardinals. Cardinal Mediero's & Cardinal Law. I have almost as much Seminarian Training as any Seminarian around ok. Good Luck. PEACE:RONB

Couldnt it just be a lid for snuff?

 

[ivan salis]

its a religious symbol used by the catholic --knights of Columbus group ..as well as the masons -- the crown of Christ AROUND the cross he died upon ( life over death) ==often seen with (IHS) under it ..... LATIN =( IN HOC SIGNO)--in this sign we shall conquer (evil)

the green color is due to the copper /bronze nature of the metal ..over time it becomes green when exposed to the elements --old bronze statues often look this way --)note at one time it might have been gilt / gold plated which might have worn off over time)

in the old days during the holidays catholic churches used to use frankensince to make "holy smoke" in thier riituals ==this might be a container cover for it

a lot of the french and germans that came from Europe during the late 1800 early 1900 time frame were cathloics