Nice toy cannon

[colonialct]

This is brass toy cannon that I dug yesterday.

 

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[ARC]

Oh and one more thing...
I want to show you something you may find very interesting...

This cannon... SIMILIAR to yours...
Was found on the bottom of the ocean...

It is 300 years old.

 

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[colonialct]

Thank you for the info. I believe the site is colonial, I have found pewter spoons, tombac buttons and the only coin there so far is an 1808 large cent.

 

[CRUSADER]

Oh and one more thing...
I want to show you something you may find very interesting...

This cannon... SIMILIAR to yours...
Was found on the bottom of the ocean...

It is 300 years old.

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Similar is not always enough. Lots of major differences on that one to the OPs.

I've been looking at it again, & I hope your right, but lets do more research.

I still think 19th C, but with the new info above maybe its early instead of my hunch of late. Its such a great find its worthy of hours of research, as my hunch was based on the knowledge of only a few whole examples. Whole ones, specially dug are extremely rare. The iron wheels should help narrow the search.

 

[ARC]

Similar is not always enough. Lots of major differences on that one to the OPs.

I've been looking at it again, & I hope your right, but lets do more research.

I still think 19th C, but with the new info above maybe its early instead of my hunch of late. Its such a great find its worthy of hours of research, as my hunch was based on the knowledge of only a few whole examples. Whole ones, specially dug are extremely rare. The iron wheels should help narrow the search.

Welp cruz...
One quick tip on dating wheeled cannon...
Less spokes in the wheels... Older they are.
And the older they are... The more hard pressed it will be to find a match.

These are VERY RARE to begin with...
EVEN the GOOD copies are extremely rare.

For example. That pic I posted is also a six spoke wheel... recently off a wreck overseas...
I have yet to find exact match on many / ANY of these types...
Less spokes... = Less cannon.
Looksie for yourself on searches... very very few 6'rs.

Like I said... This is either the real deal from period...
Or one heck of a killer copy.

 

[ARC]

ANOTHER "clue"... Is the "pinning"...
Re-pops will have screws.

Personally... I think it MAY be from period.
I would like to see other / iron objects from this exact spot first before deducing an age.

Here is another rare baby...

 

[Ahab8]

That's an amazing find with the carriage. Congrats

 

[CRUSADER]

Welp cruz...
One quick tip on dating wheeled cannon...
Less spokes in the wheels... Older they are.
And the older they are... The more hard pressed it will be to find a match.

These are VERY RARE to begin with...
EVEN the GOOD copies are extremely rare.

For example. That pic I posted is also a six spoke wheel... recently off a wreck overseas...
I have yet to find exact match on many / ANY of these types...
Less spokes... = Less cannon.
Looksie for yourself on searches... very very few 6'rs.

Like I said... This is either the real deal from period...
Or one heck of a killer copy.

I wouldn't get hung up on spokes.
https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/605445
Above is another odd 18th C example.
I'm buying a book on these soon to learn more, but from what I see, this is what bothers me. Forgetting the carriage for now, the general shape is one they 'suggest' dates to 1680-1720:
https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/444603
However, there are far more well defined 'bands' around the cannon which jumped out at me straight away. (Plus the oversized hole) Now I've looked harder this is not repeated on 'any' other examples. This more well modelled piece just makes me think later, might still be wrong. Later doesn't mean re-pro.
I will update when I get the book.

 

[Smithbrown]

AARc, the cannon you post on #21 is not 300 years old or from the bottom of the ocean; at least they don't mention these things on the sale details: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/6345457_antique-cast-iron-toy-cannon

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

Now that is cool!!

 

[ARC]

Ooops wrong pic. :P
heh
Btw...
The rings are reinforcing rings.

 

[ARC]

Smith you outta know the cannon I speak of... brought up a few mnths ago... big deal etc.

 

[ARC]

The Netherlands shipwreck toy...
THIS ONE !
heh

 

[IAMZIM]

THAT.....is freakin' awesome!!! Cool find buddy!!!

 

[colonialct]

Thank you for the info and the site info. I think that I may have found one close to it -same length and width https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/444603 -tell me what you think. Thank you, Chris

 

[CRUSADER]

Thank you for the info and the site info. I think that I may have found one close to it -same length and width https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/444603 -tell me what you think. Thank you, Chris

I have already linked to this one & commented in my last post.

PS. Just zoomed in & seen that extra banding in the middle, which makes yours more unusual. When I get the book they reference, I will see how 'similar' it is. The PAS is not as accurate as you would imagine, but pretty good.

 

[fever87]

That is awesome! Congrats!

 

[colonialct]

Thanks again

 

[sutphin]

DMN WHAT A FIND. MAN IT LOOKS OLD , AND WHAT A COOL PEICE TO DISPLAY AND WELCOME NEW MEMBER . AND YOU KNOCKED THE DOOR OFF THE HINGES WITH THAT ONE . FIRST VEIW OF A BATTLE CANNON , WAY TO GO...

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

old toy cannons are fantastic relic finds , very unusual to see the really old dug cast ~~~,
I like it ~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[BluffHunter]

I had to revisit this morning. That is so cool. I am both envious and happy for you. As a new hunter this kind of thing gives me hope there is still lots of good stuff out there. Just awesome.