Oooooold chinese coin cant ID

[Chimacum87]

I cannot ID this coin i know its old and the old man i got it from said it could be centuries old . He got it when he was a young man in Indonesia . I dont believe they are fakes. Any help would be great thanks!

 

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[Mackaydon]

Can we see the other side also?
Thanks,
Don...

 

[Chimacum87]

Its just flat on the otherside no markings on any of them that I have. I have a feeling I might need to take them to a museum or something

 

[sagittarius98]

[h=2]Emperor CHANG TSUNG
AD 1190-1208[/h] [h=3]reign title: T'AI-HO, AD 1201-1208[/h]

S-1093-94. Bronze 10 cash. Obverse: "T'AI-HO CHUNG-PAO" in seal script. Reverse: blank. The two different Schjoth numbers are for narrow (1093) and wide (1094) rims, with the wide rim variation being the scarcer. We have seen narrow rim examples from 16.29 to 24.3 grams with the average of 3 specimens was 19.91 grams, 44.5 mm. The single wide rim example we saw was 27.75 grams, 47.6 mm.


Narrow -VF $80.00 XF $120.00
Wide - VF $125.00 XF $175.00
Schjoth records four specimens of this series, two with blank reverses averaged 16.35 grams, one with Ch'uan Huo on the reverse at 17.24 grams, and one that is most probably a later amulet, with the obverse repeated on the reverse at 32.92 grams. Because of the very high relief of this issue, they are never seen below a grade of VF, and are always very well made coins.

 

[sagittarius98]

It is similar to what I posted in the other post. It is written in Old Chinese seal script (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_script) so I can't get any of my neighbors to translate it. A museum or archeologist may know how to read this type of script.

 

[Chimacum87]

Sorry but I am new so if I come off sounding dumb bear with me. So this set of coins I have are super old? What are they worth

 

[Mackaydon]

With these eyes the images of the two coin pics posted don't seem to match--in several ways: The rims are of different widths and the images don't compare IMO.
Don........

 

[Chimacum87]

Ya i noticed that to so im not sure

 

[sagittarius98]

The top character is similar, so that's why I saw this, it is similar, but no identical.

 

[Chimacum87]

Ug i been searching for hours still cannot ID it

 

[Mackaydon]

If I were to venture a guess, I’d say (reign title: CHENG-HO, AD 1111-1117)
Denomination 3 cash; similar in appearance to image # 645 found near the bottom of this page:
Chinese coins of the Northern Sung period. sung
Don........

 

[Chimacum87]

Nice you totally IDed it. Its the seal script. Im suprised that its not worth more though.

 

[sagittarius98]

Check it with a magnet, maybe you got a bronze 3 cash.

 

[Chimacum87]

Ya i just checked it wasnt magnetic unfortuantly

 

[sagittarius98]

Ya i just checked it wasnt magnetic unfortuantly

It wasn't magnetic?

[No bronze 3 cash were cast during this reign title, but Schjoth (page 33) records information suggesting many bronze value 3 cash must have been in circulation: "In the 1st year of Cheng-ho (AD 1111), orders were issued that 'value ten' coins, which grasping officials for momentary gain some years before had issued to the harm of the government and the people, should be reduced to 'value three'. The Minister Chang Shang-ying (died 1121) obtained leave to demonetize all the spurious 'value 10' coins met with and cast them into light weight Hsiao-p'ing cash".]

 

[Chimacum87]

Ya il check again but i dont think it was magnetic. What does that mean if its not?

 

[Chimacum87]

Is it a fake then?

 

[aaron7]

I'd say 90% of them are. They make them by the millions (literally) and sell them as novelties.

 

[sagittarius98]

Ya il check again but i dont think it was magnetic. What does that mean if its not?

What I posted in green. You either uncovered a new coin type/error, or you have a fake.