permission?

Depends on what city, county, state or country you're in. Research is the key from getting into a pinch.
 

What beach are you talking about? A lake beach? And if so, what entity? Or an ocean beach? And if so, what entity? There are VERY few places (especially beaches?) that have "permits". The idea was dreamed up by a few (and I mean VERY few) cities or counties, and perhaps a few of the states, for their parks. But this is very rare. For example: In my entire state of CA, all the beaches along the coast (except, rumor has it, a single federal one north of SF) to detect till you're blue-in-the-face, and no one will ever bother you. And as it concerns parks (and any inland lakes associated with those parks) only 3 or 4 entities (2 cities that I've heard of, and perhaps 2 counties), IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF CA. In other words, out of HUNDREDS of cities, and endless miles of coast-line beach, it is a rarity practically unheard of. But the minute a single park or beach gets such a prohibition or permit, or the minute someone new hears they should "ask permission", (even though wherever they have in mind has never been a problem), the radars go up, people get antsy thinking "oh no, what if I'm doing something wrong?". While I know you are asking here (and not grovelling at the desks of bureaucrats), yet others have read "scary posts", and done just that: gone down, or called, or emailed the entity where their at, asking "can I?" or "do I need a permit?" type questions. And what happens next is that they've sometimes gotten "no you can't" or "gee let's look into this 'pressing issue' of detecting". And all of the sudden, you've got places now under scrutiny, thus leading to "more scary stories", thus leading to more people asking, and ....... you can see the vicious circle!

So glad you're asking here, and not wherever you intended to go. Here's the answer: You can either say the entity/beach you have in mind, and someone here might know possible specifics for just that place or entity. Or go to the entity's written rules. Certainly there must be park/beach rules posted for that location SOMEWHERE. You know, like if they have a website, etc... Rules like "no dogs allowed", "no alcahol", "closes at sunset", and so forth. Right? And if you don't see something there that says "no metal detectors", well then presto, I guess detecting must not be a prohibited activity!
 

Tom...I would be grateful for whatever you can pass along about the Ca. areas that might be off limits as I am North of SF.
I don't want to be one of those that starts an inquiry by inquiring. Also curious whatever you can tell me about hunting schools.
Additionally, if I want to investigate, via the internet rules/regs so that I will have some idea ahead of time, where is the best place to start?
Thanks,
~C~
 

Here is a great resource with multiple sections on what you're looking for.

MDHTALK - National: Where is it Legal to Metal Detect? by Lee Wiese


Treasure-diggr, interesting link. The page starts off with 100% federal stuff (arpa, etc...). And would thus only apply to fed. land, not other forms of land. As you go lower on the page, it has stuff about schools, parks, states, counties, etc.... and essentially, gives no answer, since ...... of course...... it would depend on which city, county, state, etc.... And even within those entities are various forms of land (ie.: not all state, county, or city land is "park" land, for instance). And it goes on to say that even though a place may not have anything on the subject (ie.: silent on the subject), yet any place could morph something else to apply (the dreaded alterations, digging, etc... verbage). So in essence, the link doesn't do much good for anything below the federal level, and someone would still have to (if they were skittish) find the rules/laws of lower level places.

Carla, the ONLY place I've heard of in your area of CA that had any bruhaha ever, was Stinson beach. And only because it's federal. All city and counties around you have no specific wording about detectors, to my knowledge. There's a club in Santa Rosa with some good fellows (last I heard the club was still active anyhow). They would know the real skinny on things of this sort. Also get on the Kinzli CA forum, and there's fellows chiming in there from around the SF area.

Oh, and back to Stinson fed beach, in the late '90s or early 2000s, a newbie in that area simply didn't know any better. Humorously he'd gotten his first detector, and took it to that beach. Imagine his surprise when he started getting targets hand-over-fist as fast as he could dig! It was as if the beach were virgin, and he just couldn't understand "why the locals weren't all over this". So he kept returning every day, week after week, and getting 100 to 200 coins, with ease, at-will, anytime he'd go. Also occasional rings in the mix. I started corresponding with this fellow back then, and got him to drop his guard and let me know wehre he was hunting. Imagine his surprise when I informed him that ...... I had heard, was off-limits. He simply couldn't believe it. Because he had gone every day, for several weeks, in full view of anyone and everyone, and no one had paid him any mind. Yup, in full view of life-guard towers, passing rangers, etc... Doh! Thus he thought it was me who must be mistaken. Because certainly someone would have said something by now? haha He had half a mind just to continue since it was obvious no one cared. Not sure whether he did or not.
 

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Thanks for the info Tom!
~C~
 

Treasure-diggr, interesting link. The page starts off with 100% federal stuff (arpa, etc...). And would thus only apply to fed. land, not other forms of land. As you go lower on the page, it has stuff about schools, parks, states, counties, etc.... and essentially, gives no answer, since ...... of course...... it would depend on which city, county, state, etc.... And even within those entities are various forms of land (ie.: not all state, county, or city land is "park" land, for instance). And it goes on to say that even though a place may not have anything on the subject (ie.: silent on the subject), yet any place could morph something else to apply (the dreaded alterations, digging, etc... verbage). So in essence, the link doesn't do much good for anything below the federal level, and someone would still have to (if they were skittish) find the rules/laws of lower level places.

The site is way more than what you describe above Tom, if you detect a park or beach the way you glean info from a web site, I'd love to go over some of the spots you've hunted before:tongue3: Along with the Federal Laws listed, which are required reading for anyone new to the hobby in my book, there is a wealth of info and links for laws at the State and City level including a searchable database. It also gives great suggestions and tips for someone new to the hobby on ways to search to find the laws and ordinances for their area.
TDNY
 

Tom...I would be grateful for whatever you can pass along about the Ca. areas that might be off limits as I am North of SF.
I don't want to be one of those that starts an inquiry by inquiring. Also curious whatever you can tell me about hunting schools.
Additionally, if I want to investigate, via the internet rules/regs so that I will have some idea ahead of time, where is the best place to start?
Thanks,
~C~

Hi I believe Stenson beach is a state park and closed.I belong to the sac valley detecting buffs and we just gave out a list of most off limit areas in CA.I dont have that list with me or own a scaner.You can contact the club directly via the net or I can try and get one thursday and mail it if you want.Hope this helps
 

Stinson is state for a portion of it, and fed, for another portion of it. It's only the fed. side that is the off-limits side. But ...... if you wanted to get technical, and ask a lot of questions of a lot of state bureaucrats, technically the state side (and all state beaches, for that matter) would be off-limits, in CA. Because they are a part of the state-of-CA parks system, afterall, and thus subject to cultural heritage verbage, etc.... But at the present time, you can detect state-of-ca owned beaches till you're blue in the face, and no one will bother you. Best to keep it that way, and not ask silly questions.
 

Hi I believe Stenson beach is a state park and closed.I belong to the sac valley detecting buffs and we just gave out a list of most off limit areas in CA.I dont have that list with me or own a scaner.You can contact the club directly via the net or I can try and get one thursday and mail it if you want.Hope this helps

Thank you. I have sent an email to your club's website and will hopefully get a reply.
I appreciate your help.
~C~
 

thanx digger for the website... it was very educational.
 

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